Andre Berto is fighting Juan Urango May 30th?

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I think this proves what most of us thought Berto is not elite i mean how more gimmes does this guy want??

I think they wont throw him in there with a top Welterweight because they know he will not win, i think Clottley would of been a decent scrap and if Berto fought a clever fight could win but fighting Urango is a joke.

I dont knwo why Berto gets away with an easy ride with this fight, people should be slating him to the high hills, imagine Cotto, Hatton fighters like that took a fight against Urango they would be geting abused from all angles.

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What a crappy conclusion! The only thing lining up a fight proves, is availability and the ability to work out a deal.

Cotto is has been trying to work out a deal with Clottey.
Judah was trying to make a deal with M. Hatton
Mosley is sitting out hoping for a Mega fight with the winner of Hatton/Pacquiao.

What other possibilities does Berto have in your so called elite fighter category?

Taking on Urango is best match up available for Berto, or perhaps you should call Berto for a job... Matching up fighters at the top of the weight class is tougher than you think!

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Please are you serious?? Urango is ranked number 5 in the division under 147, hahaha!!

So you feel there was no one else. Please!! Shocking match making imo.

Kel i know Hatton has fought Urango it was just an example of a top fighter who would of got slated if he got matched against a limited fighter moving up in weight.

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Berto's only #7 at welter! I think this is a good match-up! If you saw Berto struggle with Collazo why would you want to throw him to the wolves straight away? He needs more seasoning! I agree a Collazo rematch would have been nice but this is still a solid fight imo

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by Taeth

What are people talking about? Urango is terrible, and a huge step down. He's similar to the guy Berto beat to get the belt. He doesn't need speed bumps right now, its time to see if he can fly or not. When he doesn't square up and throw haymakers he is amazing, but then he throws telegraphed punches that make him easy to counter, and he is wide open when he starts throw widely. There are times however where he is very tactical, he is one of the best athletes to ever grace boxing, but he needs to utilize that ability along with the boxing skills which he does have, if he wants to compete at the top level. IMO he should be going to Floyd Snr to tighten up that defense, and keep it tight because he is super hard to hit when he doesn't want to be, but he gets drawn into slugfests.

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I think this proves what most of us thought Berto is not elite i mean how more gimmes does this guy want??

I think they wont throw him in there with a top Welterweight because they know he will not win, i think Clottley would of been a decent scrap and if Berto fought a clever fight could win but fighting Urango is a joke.

I dont knwo why Berto gets away with an easy ride with this fight, people should be slating him to the high hills, imagine Cotto, Hatton fighters like that took a fight against Urango they would be geting abused from all angles.

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Urkal and Jennings spring to mind. ;D

I think Urango is a decent test, he's coming off a few highlight reel KO wins. Not sure what he's done at 147 to get a shot but he's a former 140 champ and imo is passable after such a hard fight against Collazo.

I'd like to see him fight Mosley or Cotto though, but i guess that won't happen until Berto gets another name on his record....and yeah you're right i suppose, Urango won't do in that sense. So long as he follows it up with a live 147er like Clottey then he'll get his shot at the big time....providing he wins.

I don't see a problem with this fight at all its not as if Berto is the Ring champ in this division right now he's merely a belt holder.

Urango has never been stopped so will doubtless be a test for Berto especially in the late rounds and there's no rush to stick him in with a top fighter becuase on the basis of what we've seen in recent months he's not ready.

I don't think the likes of Mosely, Cotto, Williams etc struggle with Collazo and Cosme Riveria the way Berto did, let him get some more experience before he fights them.

Urango at least holds a belt even if it is one that Malignaggi gave away.

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Booooooo

What happened to Cotto or Clottey or Mosley or Collazo?

this really dissapoints me, either take a step up or rematch Collazo.

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I personally think Urango wins inside 10

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What are you smoking?

Also Bilbo Berto had one knockdown against Rivera where he got sloppy besides that he dominated the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by skel1983

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Originally Posted by fan johnny

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Originally Posted by skel1983

I think this proves what most of us thought Berto is not elite i mean how more gimmes does this guy want??

I think they wont throw him in there with a top Welterweight because they know he will not win, i think Clottley would of been a decent scrap and if Berto fought a clever fight could win but fighting Urango is a joke.

I dont knwo why Berto gets away with an easy ride with this fight, people should be slating him to the high hills, imagine Cotto, Hatton fighters like that took a fight against Urango they would be geting abused from all angles.

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What a crappy conclusion! The only thing lining up a fight proves, is availability and the ability to work out a deal.

Cotto is has been trying to work out a deal with Clottey.
Judah was trying to make a deal with M. Hatton
Mosley is sitting out hoping for a Mega fight with the winner of Hatton/Pacquiao.

What other possibilities does Berto have in your so called elite fighter category?

Taking on Urango is best match up available for Berto, or perhaps you should call Berto for a job... Matching up fighters at the top of the weight class is tougher than you think!

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Please are you serious?? Urango is ranked number 5 in the division under 147, hahaha!!

So you feel there was no one else. Please!! Shocking match making imo.

Kel i know Hatton has fought Urango it was just an example of a top fighter who would of got slated if he got matched against a limited fighter moving up in weight.

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Fak king Supa! back up your opinion genius! List the "available" match ups for Berto! Lets us see who's available and out there that make a better fight.

Regarding Berto, did you know that Vanes Martirosyan beat him in the amateurs to secure a spot on the 2004 Olympic team?

In terms of this post, I agree that a rematch with Collazo was due, and that fighting a champion 140 junior welterweight is not necessarily the best match, but if Mosley wouldn't fight him and Cotto and Clottey are fighting eachother, who do you suggest he should fight?

I don't mind watching this fight. I don't think Berto is up for anyone bigger than Urango at the moment. I do however hope this is a good scrap. Berto will eventually have to step it up a bit but I don't see Berto beating any of the top Welters except maybe Tonya 'Hands of Plaster' Margarita.

Well, Urango was pretty gigantic for a 140 pounder so he should be fairly strong still at 147, unfortunately he's just not that great. He could have his moments though.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

Well, Urango was pretty gigantic for a 140 pounder so he should be fairly strong still at 147, unfortunately he's just not that great. He could have his moments though.

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Oh SNAP! I did not even notice that you were a FORUM MOD :o When did your get you SADDO Middle Weight MOD Forum title? :o

A few months ago I guess. Seems like it was around Christmas, Saddo needed some new mods and made me, BoxingGorrila, Fenster and Smashup mods.

Pretty even fight imo. Urango got enough fire power to bring down Berto.

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Booooooo

What happened to Cotto or Clottey or Mosley or Collazo?

this really dissapoints me, either take a step up or rematch Collazo.

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I personally think Urango wins inside 10

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Also Bilbo Berto had one knockdown against Rivera where he got sloppy besides that he dominated the entire fight.

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Riveria floored him legitimately and took him 10 rounds. For a supposed future world class star thats piss poor imo. Judah blasted him out inside 3 rounds and Angulo just manhandled him and forced him to quit in 5.

If Berto is truly world class he shouldn't be going 10 rounds with the likes of Riveria and he certainly shouldn't be getting floored by them.

I think Urango is a good test for Berto right now. Apart from Collazo he's never fought anyone better.

I'm not sold on Berto's tougness really, I think Urango will ask a few questions of him. I expect Berto to win but I reckon he'll be taken another 12 hard rounds and will have a few ropey moments whereas Mosely, Williams, Mayweather, Cotto etc wouldn't have any problems

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

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Originally Posted by Taeth

Booooooo

What happened to Cotto or Clottey or Mosley or Collazo?

this really dissapoints me, either take a step up or rematch Collazo.

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I personally think Urango wins inside 10

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What are you smoking?

Also Bilbo Berto had one knockdown against Rivera where he got sloppy besides that he dominated the entire fight.

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Taeth serious if you had your head any higher up Bertos arse you would look like Dion Dublin.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Regarding Berto, did you know that Vanes Martirosyan beat him in the amateurs to secure a spot on the 2004 Olympic team?

In terms of this post, I agree that a rematch with Collazo was due, and that fighting a champion 140 junior welterweight is not necessarily the best match, but if Mosley wouldn't fight him and Cotto and Clottey are fighting eachother, who do you suggest he should fight?

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Uh no he didn't Berto had the spot on the US national team and beat everyone, but he was disqualified in one of his fights and that eventually led to him being forced to compete for Haiti. He was actually considered the best fighter on the United States team before he was forced off of it.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by Taeth

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Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al

I personally think Urango wins inside 10

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Also Bilbo Berto had one knockdown against Rivera where he got sloppy besides that he dominated the entire fight.

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Riveria floored him legitimately and took him 10 rounds. For a supposed future world class star thats piss poor imo. Judah blasted him out inside 3 rounds and Angulo just manhandled him and forced him to quit in 5.

If Berto is truly world class he shouldn't be going 10 rounds with the likes of Riveria and he certainly shouldn't be getting floored by them.

I think Urango is a good test for Berto right now. Apart from Collazo he's never fought anyone better.

I'm not sold on Berto's tougness really, I think Urango will ask a few questions of him. I expect Berto to win but I reckon he'll be taken another 12 hard rounds and will have a few ropey moments whereas Mosely, Williams, Mayweather, Cotto etc wouldn't have any problems

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Um you do know that Rivera had 2 weeks noticed for the Angulo fight and came in 17 pounds lighter than him?

Also you want to talk about Zab Judah, I dare his promoter to try and put him in with Berto, he would get destroyed.

Forbes is really tough, nobody has even dropped him, David Estrada is super tough and it took Cintron only one less round to stop him.

Not trying to compare the two, but do you think ALi should have been floored by Henry Cooper?

Didn't Felix Trinidad go down? Didn't Demarcus Corley affected Mayweather, and almost knock out Cotto?