Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
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Originally Posted by
Saddo
OK now mayweather announced his comback on the day of the hatton - pacquiao fight :rolleyes:
who wins if this fight takes place.
this will be a different fight altogether but they are both matched in Speed and i would give Pac the edge on power whatever weight they meet at.
i for one think Mayweather should be no2 p4p now but did before he retired :-X
one things for sure, we as boxing fans have a massive superfight to look forward to....thats if Mayweather wins his next fight ;)
so who you got ?
To be honest i don't really think this is a hard fight to call, yes he beat Ricky Hatton very impressively and deserves alot of respect. But Manny Pacquiao does do better against fighters that come towards him, and lets be honest Ricky Hatton had his chin up in the air and was asking to get KO'ed.
People are forgetting despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements he still had hell against JMM, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is bigger and a better counter puncher than JMM IMO. He also has a much better defense, Manny Pacquiao didn't look good against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight when MAB didn't come towards him and he boxed. And i thought MAB done well he just wasn't active enough.
If you actually look back at Manny Pacquiao's struggles you'll notice, he didn't look that great against Oscar Larios despite flooring him twice, he was badly stunned himself and was taken the full 12, and as i said he didn't look that impressive against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight, and he had the same trouble he had against JMM in 2004.
And i know he wasn't at his peak against Erik Morales in there 1st fight, but again Erik Morales boxed Manny Pacquiao making him come towards him. Which in turn is why Manny Pacquiao lost, history shows Manny Pacquiao doesn't fare too well against opponents who don't come towards him.
Where as fighters like ODLH, Ricky Hatton, David Diaz, all come straight forward against Manny Pacquiao. Which is why Manny Pacquiao beat these fighters with ease. My prediction hasn't changed anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr, can do better Floyd Mayweather Jr by UD but a stoppage win wouldn't suprise me either.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
I'd hope for Manny to win, but it's a kinda tough one to call for me cos Pacquiao looks totally unbeatable at the moment, but then I guess he fought a drained De La Hoya and Hatton didn't exactly make it difficult for him.
I think my brain would tell me to pick Floyd just cos of his defensive prowess. But Manny with his arsenal of varied punches and angles, and speed...and also the power he seems to have carried up, really possible for him too.
I'd want Manny to win, but I'd expect Floyd to win by UD.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
This would be one of the biggest superfights to take place in my lifetime now - up there with the four middleweight kings of the 80s bouts, Tyson v Holyfield and Bruno v Chuck Gardener
Has to happen if PBF wins in July and would confirm the p4p king of this era in my book.
I cannot wait already !
As for who wins its 50/50 but for sure we will finally get to see what PBF is made of in a real fight when he will not have it all his own way.
November ??
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
Floyd all day. The only fighter has chance at beating Floyd is Paul Williams. Floyd would win landslide decision aganist Manny
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
Cannot be shy about this,not now.
I hope Marquez and Pacquiao unite their bitter rivalry and beat this self absorbed Diva back into secluded retirement frankly.Mayweather is cherry picking Battle scarred Marquez and totally focused on lucrative Pacquiao fight.Mayweather stepped out of the arena and let the accolades and status pass him by,Now Pac has taken the mantle.If and until Mayweather beats JMM,he ain't p4p 1 or 2 in my book.
"Hes a good small man,but I'm a great big man" :looroll: ....... sums up how I feel as far as JMM fighting north of 135 edit-Marquez is also a great Floyd,make no mistake about it!
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
funny cause about a year ago everyone didnt gave pac even a slight chance to win against pbf, even i didnt.
if pbf jmm goes a full 12 rounds then pac already has an advantage being the fresher and more rested fighter.
jmm is a really good fighter i even said that only jmm can defeat pac. but aint it a bit cowardly for pbf to take on jmm? pbf even said it that jmm is a good small guy but im a big headed great fighter, kinda like that.
if pbf shows up for the jmm fight without ring rust or as the same fighter as b4 then i will give pbf an advantage against pac.
speed is just about the same
power ill give this to pac
ring skills goes to pbf
lets see how long will it take for pacs speed and power to open up pbf's clamshell defence. :)
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
Cannot be shy about this,not now.
I hope Marquez and Pacquiao unite their bitter rivalry and beat this self absorbed Diva back into secluded retirement frankly.Mayweather is cherry picking Battle scarred Marquez and totally focused on lucrative Pacquiao fight.Mayweather stepped out of the arena and let the accolades and status pass him by,Now Pac has taken the mantle.If and until Mayweather beats JMM,he ain't p4p 1 or 2 in my book.
"Hes a good small man,but I'm a great big man" :looroll: ....... sums up how I feel as far as JMM fighting north of 135 edit-Marquez is also a great Floyd,make no mistake about it!
Merchant said it best last night
"Floyd Mayweather Jr for all his smarts in the ring he has even more outside the ring, He has made a brilliant career on performances in the ring and knowing who not to face when choosing his bouts outside the ring"
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
Saddo
OK now mayweather announced his comback on the day of the hatton - pacquiao fight :rolleyes:
who wins if this fight takes place.
this will be a different fight altogether but they are both matched in Speed and i would give Pac the edge on power whatever weight they meet at.
i for one think Mayweather should be no2 p4p now but did before he retired :-X
one things for sure, we as boxing fans have a massive superfight to look forward to....thats if Mayweather wins his next fight ;)
so who you got ?
To be honest i don't really think this is a hard fight to call, yes he beat Ricky Hatton very impressively and deserves alot of respect. But Manny Pacquiao does do better against fighters that come towards him, and lets be honest Ricky Hatton had his chin up in the air and was asking to get KO'ed.
People are forgetting despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements he still had hell against JMM, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is bigger and a better counter puncher than JMM IMO. He also has a much better defense, Manny Pacquiao didn't look good against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight when MAB didn't come towards him and he boxed. And i thought MAB done well he just wasn't active enough.
If you actually look back at Manny Pacquiao's struggles you'll notice, he didn't look that great against Oscar Larios despite flooring him twice, he was badly stunned himself and was taken the full 12, and as i said he didn't look that impressive against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight, and he had the same trouble he had against JMM in 2004.
And i know he wasn't at his peak against Erik Morales in there 1st fight, but again Erik Morales boxed Manny Pacquiao making him come towards him. Which in turn is why Manny Pacquiao lost, history shows Manny Pacquiao doesn't fare too well against opponents who don't come towards him.
Where as fighters like ODLH, Ricky Hatton, David Diaz, all come straight forward against Manny Pacquiao. Which is why Manny Pacquiao beat these fighters with ease. My prediction hasn't changed anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr, can do better Floyd Mayweather Jr by UD but a stoppage win wouldn't suprise me either.
Manny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.
What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,
So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...
DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,
Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled
Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...
This was a P4P ranked man!!!!
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
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Originally Posted by
ICB
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Saddo
OK now mayweather announced his comback on the day of the hatton - pacquiao fight :rolleyes:
who wins if this fight takes place.
this will be a different fight altogether but they are both matched in Speed and i would give Pac the edge on power whatever weight they meet at.
i for one think Mayweather should be no2 p4p now but did before he retired :-X
one things for sure, we as boxing fans have a massive superfight to look forward to....thats if Mayweather wins his next fight ;)
so who you got ?
To be honest i don't really think this is a hard fight to call, yes he beat Ricky Hatton very impressively and deserves alot of respect. But Manny Pacquiao does do better against fighters that come towards him, and lets be honest Ricky Hatton had his chin up in the air and was asking to get KO'ed.
People are forgetting despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements he still had hell against JMM, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is bigger and a better counter puncher than JMM IMO. He also has a much better defense, Manny Pacquiao didn't look good against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight when MAB didn't come towards him and he boxed. And i thought MAB done well he just wasn't active enough.
If you actually look back at Manny Pacquiao's struggles you'll notice, he didn't look that great against Oscar Larios despite flooring him twice, he was badly stunned himself and was taken the full 12, and as i said he didn't look that impressive against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight, and he had the same trouble he had against JMM in 2004.
And i know he wasn't at his peak against Erik Morales in there 1st fight, but again Erik Morales boxed Manny Pacquiao making him come towards him. Which in turn is why Manny Pacquiao lost, history shows Manny Pacquiao doesn't fare too well against opponents who don't come towards him.
Where as fighters like ODLH, Ricky Hatton, David Diaz, all come straight forward against Manny Pacquiao. Which is why Manny Pacquiao beat these fighters with ease. My prediction hasn't changed anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr, can do better Floyd Mayweather Jr by UD but a stoppage win wouldn't suprise me either.
Manny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.
What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,
So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...
DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,
Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled
Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...
This was a P4P ranked man!!!!
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
This is the first time since the second Castillo fight that I think Floyd has a legitimate chance of losing. Manny's incredibly fast, awkward in a way, a southpaw and his power hasn't seemed to drop a bit, look at his legs they're tree trunks, that's probably why.
I would like to see Floyd vs JMM first before I make a pick but this is an even fight IMO. People who think Floyd dominates or wins easy are nutso IMO.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
The improvement in Manny's pure boxing ability since say the first Marquez fight is IMO pretty stunning. You rarely see that level of improvement. He's harder to hit and look at his right hand now, he's a two fisted puncher now.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
Cannot be shy about this,not now.
I hope Marquez and Pacquiao unite their bitter rivalry and beat this self absorbed Diva back into secluded retirement frankly.Mayweather is cherry picking Battle scarred Marquez and totally focused on lucrative Pacquiao fight.Mayweather stepped out of the arena and let the accolades and status pass him by,Now Pac has taken the mantle.If and until Mayweather beats JMM,he ain't p4p 1 or 2 in my book.
"Hes a good small man,but I'm a great big man" :looroll: ....... sums up how I feel as far as JMM fighting north of 135 edit-Marquez is also a great Floyd,make no mistake about it!
Merchant said it best last night
"Floyd Mayweather Jr for all his smarts in the ring he has even more outside the ring, He has made a brilliant career on performances in the ring and knowing who not to face when choosing his bouts outside the ring"
First time in a while I'd agree with Merchant.His tone though told me that if his tounge was pressing his cheek any hardy it would be sticking out of his ear.
Hes purely calculating,his 'announcment' trying to over shadow.....a cynic might say ride the momentum in the spotlight :-X.....of the fight lastnight,jeezz.What a ho.You see the way he grabbed Marquez by the arms at the weigh in and positiond him like he was a child,rolling his eyes? Disrespectful azz.I think the years and weight are too much for JMM,but I have never wanted to be more wrong than in this upcoming fight.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
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Originally Posted by
DaxxKahn
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
Saddo
OK now mayweather announced his comback on the day of the hatton - pacquiao fight :rolleyes:
who wins if this fight takes place.
this will be a different fight altogether but they are both matched in Speed and i would give Pac the edge on power whatever weight they meet at.
i for one think Mayweather should be no2 p4p now but did before he retired :-X
one things for sure, we as boxing fans have a massive superfight to look forward to....thats if Mayweather wins his next fight ;)
so who you got ?
To be honest i don't really think this is a hard fight to call, yes he beat Ricky Hatton very impressively and deserves alot of respect. But Manny Pacquiao does do better against fighters that come towards him, and lets be honest Ricky Hatton had his chin up in the air and was asking to get KO'ed.
People are forgetting despite Manny Pacquiao's improvements he still had hell against JMM, and Floyd Mayweather Jr is bigger and a better counter puncher than JMM IMO. He also has a much better defense, Manny Pacquiao didn't look good against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight when MAB didn't come towards him and he boxed. And i thought MAB done well he just wasn't active enough.
If you actually look back at Manny Pacquiao's struggles you'll notice, he didn't look that great against Oscar Larios despite flooring him twice, he was badly stunned himself and was taken the full 12, and as i said he didn't look that impressive against a shot MAB in there 2nd fight, and he had the same trouble he had against JMM in 2004.
And i know he wasn't at his peak against Erik Morales in there 1st fight, but again Erik Morales boxed Manny Pacquiao making him come towards him. Which in turn is why Manny Pacquiao lost, history shows Manny Pacquiao doesn't fare too well against opponents who don't come towards him.
Where as fighters like ODLH, Ricky Hatton, David Diaz, all come straight forward against Manny Pacquiao. Which is why Manny Pacquiao beat these fighters with ease. My prediction hasn't changed anything JMM can do Floyd Mayweather Jr, can do better Floyd Mayweather Jr by UD but a stoppage win wouldn't suprise me either.
Manny is a much improved fighter since then and your comments about his performance against JMM not only lessen his wins but you also make it sound as if theese guys are run of the mill performers.
What are we to believe because he went the diatance w Oscar Larios that was 3 yrs ago and Larios was one of the best in the sport at the time,
So you will then play down DLH, Diaz and Hatton...
DLH was not at his best for certain but even so the hammering he took was beyond imaginable,
Diaz not the best in the world but no slouch, and again manhandled
Hatton had not even come close to losing at 140lbs prior to last night, last night he was not only dominated in 2 rds but he was made to look like a novice fighter...
This was a P4P ranked man!!!!
Im not downplaying his wins at all i think your misunderstanding what im saying, im saying that fighters that come towards Manny Pacquiao plays into Manny Pacquiao's hands. Fighters who make Manny Pacquiao come towards them have better success JMM, MAB 2, ETC.
Oscar Larios was a good fighter but he was recently stopped in 3 against Israel Vasquez, and had too move up 2 weightclasses against Manny Pacquiao lets not forget that.
I think people are getting a bit too excited over this win, it was a good win and an exciting/brutal one. But that doesn't all of a sudden make him a Floyd Mayweather Jr beater.
I mean before the Ricky Hatton win not many people gave him a chance at Floyd Mayweather Jr, now because he beat a come forward fighter in Ricky Hatton he's suddenly gonna beat Floyd Mayweather Jr ?
Sorry but i don't see it he hasn't suddenly got any better than when he fought JMM in there rematch. He's the same fighter he was then than he is now.
And he still had fits against JMM's counter punching style, and i personally think he lost the fight. Now if he had that much trouble with JMM's counter punching style. What do you think Floyd Mayweather Jr will do ?
He's a better counter puncher than JMM, he's bigger. He has a much better defense and he is quicker. I really think people are going over the top here, and i don't see how beating Ricky Hatton changes his chances against Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
I have to go with PBF because of style. He's in Pernell Whitaker and Benny Leonard territory: defensive genius' who are almost impossible to look good against.
Its possible at age 32 PBF has slowed a bit, and that split second in reflex can transform a fighter from unbeatable to mortal, as RJJ discovered rather quickly.
But short of that, PBF is one of those rare defense-first fighters who remain complete enigma's in their prime: impossible puzzles to solve.
Re: Floyd Mayweather Vs Manny Pacquiao
Mayweather. Mayweather has very underrated power and a very good defense. And at 140 when I saw him against Gatti he seemed to have a lot of pop on his punches and hit very hard. But Mayweather at 140 is very fast, the fastest opponent Pacquiao has faced, maybe not as fast but then again Marquez wasn't as fast as Pacquiao and was still able to time him and counter him. Mayweather has a better defense and is arguably a better counter puncher then Marquez and I think he could give Pacquiao a lot of fits. He won't stand in front of Pacquiao and trade he will box him.
Mayweather also has a very good chin and has never been down. Which is even more trouble for Pacquiao if he catches him.
Floyd Mayweather UD if the fight takes place. Would be a good fight. But a lot of people would hammer Floyd for not "standing and fighting" with Pacquiao.
