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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
BECAUSE HE HAD THE WRONG TRAINER BY HIS SIDE. MOST OF THE BLAME SHOULD BE ON MAYWEATHER AND HIS BIG MOUTH. LOL. AND HE HAS THE BALLS TO CALL HIMSELF THE BEST TRAINER? MAYBE HE SHOULD BE THE ONE TO CONSIDER RETIREMENT, COZ CLEARLY, HE CANT DELIVER.
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Originally Posted by saksakmo
Graham had his limitations but Ricky became a world champion in two divisions and it took the best fighter in the world to stop him eventually. Hatton was taught how to box and it wasn't all punch clinch punch. Go and watch some early Hatton fights, he can fight a lot smarter and fluently than people give him credit for.
Manny is a special fighter, and you should be grateful for him. Attacking Graham solves nothing, he did very, very well with Ricky. It's attitudes like yours that detract from Manny, show a little respect. :rolleyes:
That's just silly... Not everyone is designed to fight the way PBF fights.. Billy Graham played up to Ricky's strengths.. And until PBF, who is possibly one of the most skilled fighters of our era, AND quite a bit bigger than Hatton, knocked him down,,,, Billy Graham's teachings weren't critized to much..Quote:
Originally Posted by saksakmo
LIke I said, it played to Ricky's strengths.. If Hatton has trained with someone like Mayweather Sr from the start, he may never have even won a title...
Sometimes you have a style and ability to beat 90% of people out there, but that 10% will always have it over you...
Think of Margarito, on the night, he seems unstoppable and with his power and ability to take punches, he seemed invincible.. But Mosley showed what happens when you just meet your opposite... If Margarito had of learn to fight defensively from a trainer like Mayweather Sr, he may have never won a title either.. He may have never learn to attack his opponents in such a brutal way, and been picked off in fights....
Fact is, Ricky made the most of what he had, and there was just some guys who had the style an ability to have it over him..... No fault of Billy Graham, and not of Floyd Sr either..
And bare in mind, Hatton just didn't come in smart to that fight.. He was to impatient, to ready to put some hurt on pac as fast as possible, unwilling to take a round to feel out the speed and timing of the P4P #1 fighter in the world, and he got punished for it.. Simple as that in my opinion...
But I think he reached the pinacle of what he could achieve, and he did it by going head on with anything he came across... What the fuck more can you ask or expect from a boxer and his team...
Mayweather is not concerned about hatton at all. He is just concerned about himself. It is always about him and how good a trainer he is. But clearly, he isnt. Hatton has a lot to give. He might not beat Pacquiao, but difinitely would have been a better boxer than what he showed us.
Totally agree with you mate. Ricky is far from shot. I think this loss will do him good. He will learn from it and prepare better in his next fight (learn better defense?). What he does after this devastating loss is what define the character of Ricky Hatton.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuote:
Originally Posted by saksakmo
Graham had his limitations but Ricky became a world champion in two divisions and it took the best fighter in the world to stop him eventually. Hatton was taught how to box and it wasn't all punch clinch punch. Go and watch some early Hatton fights, he can fight a lot smarter and fluently than people give him credit for.
Manny is a special fighter, and you should be grateful for him. Attacking Graham solves nothing, he did very, very well with Ricky. It's attitudes like yours that detract from Manny, show a little respect. :rolleyes:
Manny is special...
im guessing saksakmo`s account has been suspended??
as for his nobody can ever beat the pacman..............urgh........
erik morales, 2 fellow phillipinos and juan manuel marquez....TWICE
just to answer your question!!
Exactly.. he's not unbeatable.. And has been clearly beaten in fights.. Why he's P4P #1 now though is how he's gone on with his career.. Moving up in weight and being as good as he has been has made him an all time great... He could have stayed at the lighter weights and continued to be a force for years and still be remembered as an amazing dominent fighter.. But he is paving his own way as he goes and doing everything he is capable of.. And if he goes up to fight Floyd and possibly even wins, and takes another high caliber fight like that, it puts him above Morales and anyone he lost to earlier in his career...Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by blegit
Malignaggi boxes nothing like pac. He didn't pose a particular threat. If a fighter is not being aggressive it allows you the time to try and work on new stuff.
True. He can be outboxed and outfought. You just better have a decent chin....in fact anyone at the top better have a good chin. Alas Hatton did not.Quote:
Originally Posted by DizasterExactly.. he's not unbeatable.. And has been clearly beaten in fights.. Why he's P4P #1 now though is how he's gone on with his career.. Moving up in weight and being as good as he has been has made him an all time great... He could have stayed at the lighter weights and continued to be a force for years and still be remembered as an amazing dominent fighter.. But he is paving his own way as he goes and doing everything he is capable of.. And if he goes up to fight Floyd and possibly even wins, and takes another high caliber fight like that, it puts him above Morales and anyone he lost to earlier in his career...Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
For perspective. A weight drained and past his best Oscar got beat up for 8 rounds without touching down Hatton couldn't go 1 round. :-\
fighting a left hander ,nerves and speed beat Ricky ,why retire he still has great record pac man has lost a few and what if maywheather gets beat do you think people will say retire NO! should retire and wanting to retire different.Ricky can carry on if he wants to he's still good enough .Remember both losses to pound for pound best.But i will say he shuoldn't fight a southpaw again he couldn't find qa way to open him up.Good luck to Ricky i hope to see him in action again
neg rep for that.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeHe was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Thank you. you've just shown how ignorant you are. I said against pac,DLH LOOKED amateur. What's wrong with that? He was indeed schooled by Pac. Tell me if DLH was not schooled by Pac and I'll tell you that you haven't watched the fight.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyneg rep for that.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeHe was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Sad that you're still bitter about our little argument about Barrera and Khan. I could not think of any reason why you give the neg rep.
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Originally Posted by bruceleeHe was trying to hold Manny but his plan failed coz he couldn't manhandle Manny. Pacman was so elusive and fast, he makes fighters like hatton, Diaz and DLH look like amateurs. Props to Pac.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
amen to that! with all the prayer's and disciplined with his training this is all he got.hatton is a dirty boxer and just want to sleep in the canvass. bwahahaha...;D;D;D
Because you're once again taking credit when it's not due and once again making pac fans looks like idiots. 99% of people agree that DLH was a weight drained shell and you think it's a great reflection on Pac. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeThank you. you've just shown how ignorant you are. I said against pac,DLH LOOKED amateur. What's wrong with that? He was indeed schooled by Pac. Tell me if DLH was not schooled by Pac and I'll tell you that you haven't watched the fight.:cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missyneg rep for that.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Sad that you're still bitter about our little argument about Barrera and Khan. I could not think of any reason why you give the neg rep.
& if I could sad click/neg rep you again for thinking that I've been waiting for an opportunity to neg rep you because of some preceived slur you've kept in your head for two months beggars belief. You're a sad little man.
Hatton to me is a Gatti level fighter no more and no less and as far as chin goes he gets knocked out by pbf who is no ko master. Then gets destroyed by pac in a few rounds i mean Pac could not ever floor a shot Oscar and he was landing on him at will that all i really got to say.