Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao who wins?
My heart says Pac, my head says Mayweather. PBF just has such great speed/boxing ability and great ring intelligence, and I therefore feel like he would find a way to beat Pac, even though I'd really love to see Pac KO him. Having said that, I may change my mind after the JMM fight, depending on how he performs. :p
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao who wins?
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Mayweather relies on counter punching and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. He fights on the outside and uses what is often his reach advantage. He has seen many orthodox fighters and can handle them pretty well up to a good fighter level. As Mayweather has matured he uses less offense but has accuracy in his punches. A page from Muhammad Ali, he probably studied him as a role model, he likes to use the rope adope. Great fighters and South Paws Mayweather has problems with. While he has great defensive skill due to excellent body control but gets caught when covering against swarmers. He was open when he used the right hand lead to the right hook from Judah. (He has to reach) Judah has less precision and has less power than Pacquiao. Hatton and De la hoya have less offense than Pacquiao. Because Mayweather's heavy reliance on the counter and heavy reliance on using accurate punches to win fights on points Mayweather Jr. has got no chance to pull of a win against Pacquaio on points. Mayweather can't stand toe to toe against Pacquiao because Pac is too fast and Mayweather wouldn't do it anyway. There is no secret to Pacquiao, he works hard and comes into the fight prepared. He does a lot of basic manuvers the same as everyone else is taught in the Gym. He just does it really very well and fast.
Mayweather has to big a head to come into the fight as well prepared as Pacquiao. If he gets his head straight in preparing for a fight with Pacquiao, he has a chance but he will underestimate Pacquiao speed, same as everyone, and his lack of respect will be his downfall.
False.. Mayweather trains his @ss off always.. he's always in top shape for his fights. What are you basing this statement from? Has he ever NOT looked in top shape for a fight? Not to mention, he's not had a fight in a year and a half, and he is still in ridiculous shape. He always stays in shape.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao who wins?
Assuming Mayweather beats Marquez and looks like his old self in doing so...
I'd make Floyd a slight favorite over Pacquiao. I don't think weight makes any difference, because I really don't think the weight/strength difference is that big at all. I bet these two guys walk around at virtually the same weight in between fights.
Now, Floyd would have a 2-3 inch arm length advantage, and that would be significant.
For me, what makes this fight so interesting is that Floyd could not simply outbox and outslick Manny for 12 rounds straight. Manny is too fast and too relentless, at some point Floyd would have to stand his ground and fight. I think Manny would bring the best out of Floyd.
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Assuming Mayweather beats Marquez and looks like his old self in doing so...
I'd make Floyd a slight favorite over Pacquiao. I don't think weight makes any difference, because I really don't think the weight/strength difference is that big at all. I bet these two guys walk around at virtually the same weight in between fights.
Now, Floyd would have a 2-3 inch arm length advantage, and that would be significant.
For me, what makes this fight so interesting is that Floyd could not simply outbox and outslick Manny for 12 rounds straight. Manny is too fast and too relentless, at some point Floyd would have to stand his ground and fight. I think Manny would bring the best out of Floyd.
You will see a big reach advantage against Marquez but against Pacquiao it gets nullified because Pacquiao is a SouthPaw. Take a look at mayweather/Judah and you'll see what I mean.
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Watching Pacquiao in his last few fights, you have to think that anything is possible, but his is a step too far i feel. PBF is too big and his arms are too long.
Agree.
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Mayweather relies on counter punching and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. He fights on the outside and uses what is often his reach advantage. He has seen many orthodox fighters and can handle them pretty well up to a good fighter level. As Mayweather has matured he uses less offense but has accuracy in his punches. A page from Muhammad Ali, he probably studied him as a role model, he likes to use the rope adope. Great fighters and South Paws Mayweather has problems with. While he has great defensive skill due to excellent body control but gets caught when covering against swarmers. He was open when he used the right hand lead to the right hook from Judah. (He has to reach) Judah has less precision and has less power than Pacquiao. Hatton and De la hoya have less offense than Pacquiao. Because Mayweather's heavy reliance on the counter and heavy reliance on using accurate punches to win fights on points Mayweather Jr. has got no chance to pull of a win against Pacquaio on points. Mayweather can't stand toe to toe against Pacquiao because Pac is too fast and Mayweather wouldn't do it anyway. There is no secret to Pacquiao, he works hard and comes into the fight prepared. He does a lot of basic maneuvers the same as everyone else is taught in the Gym. He just does it really very well and fast.
Mayweather has to big a head to come into the fight as well prepared as Pacquiao. If he gets his head straight in preparing for a fight with Pacquiao, he has a chance but he will underestimate Pacquiao speed, same as everyone, and his lack of respect will be his downfall.
False.. Mayweather trains his @ss off always.. he's always in top shape for his fights. What are you basing this statement from? Has he ever NOT looked in top shape for a fight? Not to mention, he's not had a fight in a year and a half, and he is still in ridiculous shape. He always stays in shape.
Mayweather Jr. will always looks good because he has the genetics. But that is not really my point. My point is his "attitude" is that he is already the best. Not that he doesn't get his body into working condition.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao who wins?
I am biased -------
However, At this stage of the game...You don't pick against Pacquiao period!
I will just pray the fight actually happens...
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RP33
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fan johnny
Mayweather relies on counter punching and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. He fights on the outside and uses what is often his reach advantage. He has seen many orthodox fighters and can handle them pretty well up to a good fighter level. As Mayweather has matured he uses less offense but has accuracy in his punches. A page from Muhammad Ali, he probably studied him as a role model, he likes to use the rope adope. Great fighters and South Paws Mayweather has problems with. While he has great defensive skill due to excellent body control but gets caught when covering against swarmers. He was open when he used the right hand lead to the right hook from Judah. (He has to reach) Judah has less precision and has less power than Pacquiao. Hatton and De la hoya have less offense than Pacquiao. Because Mayweather's heavy reliance on the counter and heavy reliance on using accurate punches to win fights on points Mayweather Jr. has got no chance to pull of a win against Pacquaio on points. Mayweather can't stand toe to toe against Pacquiao because Pac is too fast and Mayweather wouldn't do it anyway. There is no secret to Pacquiao, he works hard and comes into the fight prepared. He does a lot of basic maneuvers the same as everyone else is taught in the Gym. He just does it really very well and fast.
Mayweather has to big a head to come into the fight as well prepared as Pacquiao. If he gets his head straight in preparing for a fight with Pacquiao, he has a chance but he will underestimate Pacquiao speed, same as everyone, and his lack of respect will be his downfall.
False.. Mayweather trains his @ss off always.. he's always in top shape for his fights. What are you basing this statement from? Has he ever NOT looked in top shape for a fight? Not to mention, he's not had a fight in a year and a half, and he is still in ridiculous shape. He always stays in shape.
Mayweather Jr. will always looks good because he has the genetics. But that is not really my point. My point is his "attitude" is that he is already the best. Not that he doesn't get his body into working condition.
Do not be fooled; despite his egocentric appearance on TV, PBF takes his opponents seriously. He may mouth off about being the best and nobody being a threat to him, but when fight time comes he knows his opponent inside out and has a logical gameplan devised to nullify his opponents strengths and exploit their weaknesses. And as much as I dislike him for some of the things he says, ego is a huge part of boxing; indeed, a huge part of life, and without that kind of self-belief, some people just would not make it, inside the ring or out of it.
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False.. Mayweather trains his @ss off always.. he's always in top shape for his fights. What are you basing this statement from? Has he ever NOT looked in top shape for a fight? Not to mention, he's not had a fight in a year and a half, and he is still in ridiculous shape. He always stays in shape.
Mayweather Jr. will always looks good because he has the genetics. But that is not really my point. My point is his "attitude" is that he is already the best. Not that he doesn't get his body into working condition.
Do not be fooled; despite his egocentric appearance on TV, PBF takes his opponents seriously. He may mouth off about being the best and nobody being a threat to him, but when fight time comes he knows his opponent inside out and has a logical gameplan devised to nullify his opponents strengths and exploit their weaknesses. And as much as I dislike him for some of the things he says, ego is a huge part of boxing; indeed, a huge part of life, and without that kind of self-belief, some people just would not make it, inside the ring or out of it.
Agreed, and that's exactly why I like Pacquiao, he doesn't have to talk, he just does it. It's one thing to talk yourself up to boost your own ego, it's disrespectful to talk others down and he can piss off the wrong people. Or like Nike, "Just do it!"
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao who wins?
For starters I reckon PBF comfortably deals with JMM, just cos one guy can move up the weights doesn't mean everyone can. Floyd will claim he beat Marquez easier while Pac will claim the Hitman.
I picked with my heart by going for Pac, but I do believe he has a very genuine chance of winning, but maybe not the favourite. At the higher weight he is defo the faster of the two, while PBF's work depends more on timing. Pac really is improving all the time and has added convincing feints to his repertoire which simply weren't there a few years ago, and couple that with the awkward southpaw style that bothered Floyd a little via Judah and I think we have a very competitive fight on our hands. Only drawback is I don't see Floyd engaging the faster Pacman and we'll be in for a bit of a chess match.
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fan johnny
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SRR
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fan johnny
Mayweather Jr. will always looks good because he has the genetics. But that is not really my point. My point is his "attitude" is that he is already the best. Not that he doesn't get his body into working condition.
Do not be fooled; despite his egocentric appearance on TV, PBF takes his opponents seriously. He may mouth off about being the best and nobody being a threat to him, but when fight time comes he knows his opponent inside out and has a logical gameplan devised to nullify his opponents strengths and exploit their weaknesses. And as much as I dislike him for some of the things he says, ego is a huge part of boxing; indeed, a huge part of life, and without that kind of self-belief, some people just would not make it, inside the ring or out of it.
Agreed, and that's exactly why I like Pacquiao, he doesn't have to talk, he just does it. It's one thing to talk yourself up to boost your own ego, it's disrespectful to talk others down and he can piss off the wrong people. Or like Nike, "Just do it!"
I agree with you - as I said, I'd like to see Pac KO him [though I don't see it happening], because Pac is also a great fighter, but not full of himself, which is actually not that easy when you reach the pinnacle of a sport like boxing. To summarise; I respect them both as boxers, but I respect Pac as a man as well.
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Mayweather relies on counter punching and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. He fights on the outside and uses what is often his reach advantage. He has seen many orthodox fighters and can handle them pretty well up to a good fighter level. As Mayweather has matured he uses less offense but has accuracy in his punches. A page from Muhammad Ali, he probably studied him as a role model, he likes to use the rope adope. Great fighters and South Paws Mayweather has problems with. While he has great defensive skill due to excellent body control but gets caught when covering against swarmers. He was open when he used the right hand lead to the right hook from Judah. (He has to reach) Judah has less precision and has less power than Pacquiao. Hatton and De la hoya have less offense than Pacquiao. Because Mayweather's heavy reliance on the counter and heavy reliance on using accurate punches to win fights on points Mayweather Jr. has got no chance to pull of a win against Pacquaio on points. Mayweather can't stand toe to toe against Pacquiao because Pac is too fast and Mayweather wouldn't do it anyway. There is no secret to Pacquiao, he works hard and comes into the fight prepared. He does a lot of basic maneuvers the same as everyone else is taught in the Gym. He just does it really very well and fast.
Mayweather has to big a head to come into the fight as well prepared as Pacquiao. If he gets his head straight in preparing for a fight with Pacquiao, he has a chance but he will underestimate Pacquiao speed, same as everyone, and his lack of respect will be his downfall.
False.. Mayweather trains his @ss off always.. he's always in top shape for his fights. What are you basing this statement from? Has he ever NOT looked in top shape for a fight? Not to mention, he's not had a fight in a year and a half, and he is still in ridiculous shape. He always stays in shape.
Mayweather Jr. will always looks good because he has the genetics. But that is not really my point. My point is his "attitude" is that he is already the best. Not that he doesn't get his body into working condition.
I've never seen his attitude get in the way of his preparation for any fighter, which was my point.. Genetics or not, he has never been in the ring where anyone has been able to criticize his preparation.. Never seen the guy tired.. never seen him take anyone lightly regardless that he considers himself the best..
Jermain taylor on the other hand, would fit into your description. Pavlik/Taylor I for example.
Re: Mayweather vs Pacquiao who wins?
If this was Mayweather 2 years ago before he retired I'd be going with him all the way.
But in terms of this fight I'll have to see Mayweather against Marquez first, if he's slipped a lot then I'd say Pacquiao has a shot. But if he goes in thee and dominates Marquez then im going with Mayweather all the way.
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RP33
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fan johnny
Mayweather relies on counter punching and takes advantage of a fighters mistakes. He fights on the outside and uses what is often his reach advantage. He has seen many orthodox fighters and can handle them pretty well up to a good fighter level. As Mayweather has matured he uses less offense but has accuracy in his punches. A page from Muhammad Ali, he probably studied him as a role model, he likes to use the rope adope. Great fighters and South Paws Mayweather has problems with. While he has great defensive skill due to excellent body control but gets caught when covering against swarmers. He was open when he used the right hand lead to the right hook from Judah. (He has to reach) Judah has less precision and has less power than Pacquiao. Hatton and De la hoya have less offense than Pacquiao. Because Mayweather's heavy reliance on the counter and heavy reliance on using accurate punches to win fights on points Mayweather Jr. has got no chance to pull of a win against Pacquaio on points. Mayweather can't stand toe to toe against Pacquiao because Pac is too fast and Mayweather wouldn't do it anyway. There is no secret to Pacquiao, he works hard and comes into the fight prepared. He does a lot of basic maneuvers the same as everyone else is taught in the Gym. He just does it really very well and fast.
Mayweather has to big a head to come into the fight as well prepared as Pacquiao. If he gets his head straight in preparing for a fight with Pacquiao, he has a chance but he will underestimate Pacquiao speed, same as everyone, and his lack of respect will be his downfall.
False.. Mayweather trains his @ss off always.. he's always in top shape for his fights. What are you basing this statement from? Has he ever NOT looked in top shape for a fight? Not to mention, he's not had a fight in a year and a half, and he is still in ridiculous shape. He always stays in shape.
Mayweather Jr. will always looks good because he has the genetics. But that is not really my point. My point is his "attitude" is that he is already the best. Not that he doesn't get his body into working condition.
Genetics doesn't make you spar 20 5 minute rounds against Lovemore N'dou and Carlos Baldomir nearly everyday. Nobody gets in better shape than Mayweather, nobody trains harder.
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False.. Mayweather trains his @ss off always.. he's always in top shape for his fights. What are you basing this statement from? Has he ever NOT looked in top shape for a fight? Not to mention, he's not had a fight in a year and a half, and he is still in ridiculous shape. He always stays in shape.
Mayweather Jr. will always looks good because he has the genetics. But that is not really my point. My point is his "attitude" is that he is already the best. Not that he doesn't get his body into working condition.
Genetics doesn't make you spar 20 5 minute rounds against Lovemore N'dou and Carlos Baldomir nearly everyday. Nobody gets in better shape than Mayweather, nobody trains harder.
Agreed, one of Floyd's greatest attributes is his mentality. He sticks to a gameplan regardless of boos and kept his cool when bedlam was going on during the Judah match, could have taken Hatton out sooner but didn't try to force th KO. IMO the natural physical attributes of speed and power favours Pac in this fight, although Floyd should be bigger and stronger.
