Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
It would have been a great fight, Tszyu was exceptionally good against southpaws and his punches had a paralyzing effect,his demolitions of Ruelas and Gonzalez are perfect examples of how Tszyu would break you down over rounds and just keep pounding away with incredible accuracy. I think Manny may have fallen victim to Tszyu over time, the Tszyu from 1998-2001 was an awesome force and i have no doubt had Hatton fought a younger, more active and less injury prone Tszyu then he would have been outta there by the 5th or 6th round. I think Tszyu like Marquez is a bad match up for Manny Pacquiao.
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
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Originally Posted by
Quinito
Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.
your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...
De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.
in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...
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Dr. Steelhammer
If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did? :rolleyes:
don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Quinito
Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.
your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...
De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.
in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...
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Originally Posted by
Dr. Steelhammer
If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did? :rolleyes:
don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either
You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.
Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
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Originally Posted by
Dr. Steelhammer
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Quinito
Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.
your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...
De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.
in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...
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Originally Posted by
Dr. Steelhammer
If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did? :rolleyes:
don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either
You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.
Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.
how is it not fair? if someones reason that Pacquiao will win is simply because Freddie Roach its pretty laughable to be honest, Roach is a good trainer, but he's not the only reason Manny wins, and i know none of those fighters are Manny Pacquiao, B-Hop IMO is a greater fighter than Pacquiao and i rank him higher than Manny on my ATG list, but saying that they aren't Manny is really irrelevant, cause they all had Roach in their corner and lost, so getting to my point, simply having him in your corner doesn't secure the win
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
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Originally Posted by
Dr. Steelhammer
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Quinito
Pac would win because of Freddie Roach.
your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...
De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.
in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...
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Originally Posted by
Dr. Steelhammer
If Tzysu had such what they call "timing", then how come could'nt time Hatton like Pac did? :rolleyes:
don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either
You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.
Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.
Yeah coz it was the guys with the speed that beat kostya, the southpaws ay? Just check his record and tell me how many southpaws beat him, how many rounds they lasted and were any of them fast offensive fighters. Then come talk to me about this.
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
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Originally Posted by
snakey
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Originally Posted by
Dr. Steelhammer
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
your trainer can only take you so far, and if having Roach in your corner is a reason for winning a fight WTF happened when he trained...
De La Hoya for Mayweather
B-Hop for Calzaghe
Penalosa for Lopez
Vazquez for R. Marquez (first fight, seeing how i believe Vazquez changed trainers after that fight)
etc.
in a nutshell, Mickey Rourke is still making movies for a reason...
don't kid yourself Tszyu is a top 5 junior welter ATG, and IMO one of the best counter punchers ever, it would be a tough fight but i see him tagging Manny with the right all night, and yea Kostya was no spring chicken when he fought Hatton, and gettin his balls bashed didn't help much either
You are pin pointing Roach's bad moments which is not fair and erelevant to the discussion. Those guys that you mentioned are no Manny Pacquiao.
Tyszu never fought someone like Pacquiao, who moves a lot, with blinding speed and undeniable power. Kostya wasn't a flashy quick counterpuncher. Pac would make him quit on his stool faster than Hatton did.
Yeah coz it was the guys with the speed that beat kostya, the southpaws ay? Just check his record and tell me how many southpaws beat him, how many rounds they lasted and were any of them fast offensive fighters. Then come talk to me about this.
agree, and also Dr. Steelhammer, Tszyu would drop Pacquiao faster than Torrecampo and Singsurat did, now i know why Pacquiao didn't want the fight going into the 3rd :-X
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
Prime Kostya knocks out Manny in the final minute of round two. :cool:
No, but in all seriousness, I think he was too good for Manny and would hurt him BAD. If he was getting rocked at 130, Kostya would be making his legs twitch involuntarily and on a regular basis. He wouldn't last. And that's no slur on Manny, it's just that Kostya was that good at his best. Kostya was a good technical fighter and wouldn't hand Manny his chin on a dish.
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
Someone in this thread likened Kostya to JMM. And he was, he was a very smart fighter. He had alot of tools to use, he didnt just have a dynamite right hand. He knew how to set you up, trap ya. He was a great pressure fighter that could cut off the ring very well. Id say he would time manny with the right hand all night.
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Originally Posted by
snakey
Someone in this thread likened Kostya to JMM. And he was, he was a very smart fighter. He had alot of tools to use, he didnt just have a dynamite right hand. He knew how to set you up, trap ya. He was a great pressure fighter that could cut off the ring very well. Id say he would time manny with the right hand all night.
Tszyu would stalk his opponents and strike at will with great accuracy, making the most of his opportunities. Manny would be in for a torrid time with Tszyu, he didn't handle Marquez all that well and i don't see him handling Tszyu at all. I see Tszyu winning by a late stoppage in rounds 9-10.
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THE THIRD MAN
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Originally Posted by
snakey
Someone in this thread likened Kostya to JMM. And he was, he was a very smart fighter. He had alot of tools to use, he didnt just have a dynamite right hand. He knew how to set you up, trap ya. He was a great pressure fighter that could cut off the ring very well. Id say he would time manny with the right hand all night.
Tszyu would stalk his opponents and strike at will with great accuracy, making the most of his opportunities. Manny would be in for a torrid time with Tszyu, he didn't handle Marquez all that well and i don't see him handling Tszyu at all. I see Tszyu winning by a late stoppage in rounds 9-10.
Mate i honestly dont think manny makes it past round 4. Manny puts all his weight into his left hand, could you imagine if Tszyu timed him and connected with the right at that point in time. Lights out. I watched the hatton fight and said to my old man...could you imagine kostya vs pac back in the day. Just so many openings tszyu would love, dont get me wrong..awesome performance by manny but i think he would be tailor made for kostya.
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Come ooooon people....Pac doesnt last past round four? Is there a carbon monoxide buildup in your room? Ive said it once and ill say it again, who has the more impressive wins? Whos faced better opponets? I want someone to give me a list of Tsysu's top three best wins and I know that it doesnt even come close to manny's wins. Pound for pound barrera was one of the best in the world and Pac knocks him out in the 11th! Thats just one of several. I said it on my last post that I think everyone wants to pick some fighter from the past over a fighter thats having lots of success and fame, everyone wants some old "Rocky" to beat the succesful guy today. I dont understand why no one wants to give Manny any respect for what he's accomplished lately. In Manny's past five fights or so i've heard every corner say the same thing, "he's just to fast", it would be no different against Kosta! Southpaw or orthadox i dont care, you cant compare Pacquiao's skills to Tsysu's other opponets, he's in a totally different league. I think more fights Manny has the more people will realize how great of a fighter he really is!
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levi#1BoxingFan
Come ooooon people....Pac doesnt last past round four? Is there a carbon monoxide buildup in your room? Ive said it once and ill say it again, who has the more impressive wins? Whos faced better opponets? I want someone to give me a list of Tsysu's top three best wins and I know that it doesnt even come close to manny's wins. Pound for pound barrera was one of the best in the world and Pac knocks him out in the 11th! Thats just one of several. I said it on my last post that I think everyone wants to pick some fighter from the past over a fighter thats having lots of success and fame, everyone wants some old "Rocky" to beat the succesful guy today. I dont understand why no one wants to give Manny any respect for what he's accomplished lately. In Manny's past five fights or so i've heard every corner say the same thing, "he's just to fast", it would be no different against Kosta! Southpaw or orthadox i dont care, you cant compare Pacquiao's skills to Tsysu's other opponets, he's in a totally different league. I think more fights Manny has the more people will realize how great of a fighter he really is!
dude take your pills and calm down, i haven't read anything on here about someone not giving Pacquiao props on what he's accomplished, but sorry Manny isn't p4p #1 ever, that still goes to Robinson, IMO he doesn't even crack top 20 p4p, i have him in my top 30, ranked #23 i believe, and that's still saying something, you can't rag on the fact of Manny's resume, because styles make fights, and it's clear on Manny's record that a fighter by the name of Juan Manuel Marquez has given him fits both times they've faced each other, and MANY believe that it could easily be 2-0 in favor of JMM, Kostya Tszyu is like a bigger stronger Marquez, not as fast but IMO with better timing, always calm and never lost his head in the ring, just cause Manny has been on a roll doesn't mean he's unbeatable, cause everyone is, saying that Tszyu one of the greatest jr welter champions ever could KO Pacquiao in 4 isn't ludicrous, he's already been KTFO twice in the 3rd, by smaller less skilled opponants, yea it was in the beginning of his career but it still happened, and seeing how we're talking PRIME for PRIME, i'd pick Tszyu over Pacquiao, and to win by TKO by no later than the 6th
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
Manny Pac has not finished his career so unfair to judge. The KO over Hatton has confused me of his ability. Tszyu had the bomb of a right hand but if that did not land then he would be in trouble. At this moment in time you have to go with Kostya but if Manny Pac beats more greats then it is the Pac Man.
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
I think a prime Tszyu would take both Hatton and Pac apart. I actually think it takes him a little longer to stop Hatton though. Pac really has the perfect style for Kostya. He could pull the trigger on his right hand like no one else. Hatton and Oscar didnt have a right hand anywhere near as precise and powerful as Tszyu. Marquez was able to time him and find the target, but there wasnt quite enough power there to hurt Pac badly. Tszyu beats him imo by early stoppage. I think a lot of people forget that styles make fights and no fighter is invinsible reguardless of how many good performances he has.
Re: Pac Vs Tsysu in their primes at 140
the thing that annoys me is that if anyone says that someone can beat Pacquiao, some of his fans go crazy saying that that is an insult :-\, as if he's some kind of god, he has 3 losses for something, he can be outboxed as JMM showed, and he can be hurt as JMM and Larios showed, he's looked great in last few fights, and is definately on a roll, he deserves the #1 p4p spot right now, but he's still hardly unbeatable, like i've said time and time again, no one is
