Re: nigel benn on roy jones
I dont think Roy wanted any part of Benn when it made all of the big fight cents post Toney and McClellan respectably.For whatever reason.For active fighters he was awarded the largest guarenteed multi year network contract since Mike Tyson off of the Toney win and a Benn/Jones fight was there if he wanted it.He was afforded and choose to face a string of alphabet ranked guys/showcase types who collectivley had taken losses in their last major fight,were limited up & comers or war/torn Merqui sosa as opposed to taking big risks,leaving Fla. for a change & facing top threats in division.I think they were grooming Vinny Paz for him freah off Toney win lol....at least thats who Jones called out when asked "Benn or Pazienza" after TKO over Byrd.I think Benn would have given Jones shit-fits and was equal money in that fight.Hindsight being 20/20 :cwm13:
Re: nigel benn on roy jones
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Jones was untoucable back in the day. He was more invincible looking than Floyd or Shane looked in their primes.
Benn knew teh score and he was honest enough to admit it by that Nardiello fight was his first on sky and I dont think the sky bosses liked it cuz someone made him take that staement back . In his next fight vs Danny Perez on the Bruno undercard, Benn said I want to be number 1 second to nobody! but in that interview he said he didnt mind being number 2 to roy Jones
jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought
But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!
Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!
Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.
Re: nigel benn on roy jones
Nigel Benn was AWESOME!!! enough said really
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Jones was untoucable back in the day. He was more invincible looking than Floyd or Shane looked in their primes.
Benn knew teh score and he was honest enough to admit it by that Nardiello fight was his first on sky and I dont think the sky bosses liked it cuz someone made him take that staement back . In his next fight vs Danny Perez on the Bruno undercard, Benn said I want to be number 1 second to nobody! but in that interview he said he didnt mind being number 2 to roy Jones
jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought
But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!
Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!
Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.
you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.
Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.
Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute
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hattonthehammer
jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought
But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!
Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!
Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.
you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.
Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.
Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute
I disagree in that I think Toney was one hell of a fighter, and if he had of had a good attitude, he would've really been something special, he's an amazingly naturally gifted fighter, just without almost any resolve or dedication to the sport.
I agree these guys in their prime would walk through most of the MW/SMW of present. I also think that some in the US drastically underrate the likes of Eubank & Benn. I don't think Benn would of beaten Jones, particularly not post-McClellan but he would have given him a good fight. Would have been better than RJJ fighting punching bags like Thornton
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Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.
you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.
Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.
Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute
I disagree in that I think Toney was one hell of a fighter, and if he had of had a good attitude, he would've really been something special, he's an amazingly naturally gifted fighter, just without almost any resolve or dedication to the sport.
I agree these guys in their prime would walk through most of the MW/SMW of present. I also think that some in the US drastically underrate the likes of Eubank & Benn. I don't think Benn would of beaten Jones, particularly not post-McClellan but he would have given him a good fight. Would have been better than RJJ fighting punching bags like Thornton
Eubank would of had a far greater opportunity of beating jones than benn would of done
Nigel for all his heart and spirit was at times too aggresive a fighter and often got caught out coming in which i suspect jones would of been able to do all night long.
Eubank on the other hand had the power and the ability to box off the back foot. Instead of attempting to weigh in at jones for 12rds he would of bided his moments and picked his attacks.
Jones-Eubank both in their primes would of been a complete pick`em fight!!
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you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.
Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.
Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute
I disagree in that I think Toney was one hell of a fighter, and if he had of had a good attitude, he would've really been something special, he's an amazingly naturally gifted fighter, just without almost any resolve or dedication to the sport.
I agree these guys in their prime would walk through most of the MW/SMW of present. I also think that some in the US drastically underrate the likes of Eubank & Benn. I don't think Benn would of beaten Jones, particularly not post-McClellan but he would have given him a good fight. Would have been better than RJJ fighting punching bags like Thornton
Eubank would of had a far greater opportunity of beating jones than benn would of done
Nigel for all his heart and spirit was at times too aggresive a fighter and often got caught out coming in which i suspect jones would of been able to do all night long.
Eubank on the other hand had the power and the ability to box off the back foot. Instead of attempting to weigh in at jones for 12rds he would of bided his moments and picked his attacks.
Jones-Eubank both in their primes would of been a complete pick`em fight!!
No.
Re: nigel benn on roy jones
Both Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, although i did used to love watching em, would of got taught a lesson by Roy Jones Jr. Nigel Benn in his prime was struggling with the likes of Henry Wharton, Thulani Malinga.
And Chris Eubank was struggling with the likes of Tony Thorton, Ray Close, Dan Schommer. Fighters that Roy Jones Jr would toy with and he did toy with two of em Thulani Malinga, Tony Thorton.
Nigel Benn has a chance of a one punch KO but remember Roy Jones Jr, could hit very hard at Super Middleweight. And Nigel Benn's chin wasn't exactly granite either and he did leave his chin exposed. Nigel Benn would of been destroyed within 6 rounds.
Chris Eubank would of survived the distance but he would of made it, a negative awkward fight for Roy Jones Jr. And it would have been a snoozefest 12 round decision for Roy Jones Jr, i can't see Roy Jones Jr stopping Chris Eubank after i see Chris Eubank move all the way up to Cruiserweight.
And take bombs off a big punching Cruiserweight like Carl Thompson, and those punches didn't even wobble Chris Eubank once. The man had a legendary chin/will but he would be no match for Roy Jones Jr. And i think he even admitted that once.
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hattonthehammer
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Taeth
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hattonthehammer
jones was indeed completely untouchable against everybody he fought
But i still cant help but think the likes of toney/mccullum were never quite the equal of benn/eubank who at the time were world class champions who never got a real go stateside!
Jones in his apparent "untouchable" prime fought a hell of a lot of complete unknowns!!
Not trying to sound condescending, but Toney and McCullum are two of the finest fighters of the last twenty years in all of boxing, Benn and Eubanks fall spectacularly short of these two.
you may have an argument for mccullum but i really dont see what the fascination was with toney.
Benn/Eubank were primarily seen by the american tv companys promoting jones as too big a risk for too little to gain hence the reason they never got to make their make stateside.
Had they of been in their prime nowadays ive no doubts in my mind both would currently be able to walk through the likes of kessler, froch, bute
Kessler, no way, he is so underrated on here. Without being able to spar or hit the bags, Kessler still gave Calzaghe one hell of a fight. Kessler is on their level.
Also watch Toney in his prime then get back to me. Maybe you haven't seen his middleweight or SMW stuff in awhile.
Benn and Eubanks didn't want to come over to the states and still not get a 50/50 split. People conveniently priced themselves out of a fights with Roy JOnes Jr.
Also to ICB, I am not sure if Roy could stop Eubanks or not, but I would be pretty sure he could hurt Eubanks, He's hurt guys with the best chins in the business like Merqui Sosa, Malinga, Castro, even James Toney he hurt to the body at one point, Reggie Johnson, Virgill Hill(a big cruiserweight now)".
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I like Benn, but Jones would have destroyed him.
nah u dunn nooo
benn mite of pulled offf won of his mad knockouts after bein down on points
Re: nigel benn on roy jones
As much as I would have LOVED to have seen RJJ take on: Benn/Eubank/Collins....he would have flattened every last one of them. Roy was quicker than everyone else, he was more powerful than everyone else, and he did everything better than anyone else IN HIS ERA of course. Did he not take very many risks? Sure he COULD have flown overseas but why risk it when you see what he got by playing it safe? Yes it gyps the fans out of fights but RJJ created an aura about his skills and ability and it's bigger than any of those guys you mentioned
Now in hindsight I really wish Bernard Hopkins and James Toney fought Benn/Eubank/Collins. Those would be more even and I think the Toney-Benn styles really mesh well the same with Hopkins and Collins....although Bernard's style doesn't really mesh with anybody's.
Re: nigel benn on roy jones
Roy Jones would have beaten Benn, but if he landed that punch Jones would have been KOed like he was against Tarver.
Roy would have had a better time against Eubanks who could not deal with counter punchers but his best chance was when he was still hungry when he beat Benn in the first fight.
Roy Jones handily beat Toney and Hopkins and achieved more in boxing than Benn and Eubanks.
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^^^^ yeahh
honestly i reckon benn if he fighted rjj could of throwed a bomb at him out of the blues
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Both Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, although i did used to love watching em, would of got taught a lesson by Roy Jones Jr. Nigel Benn in his prime was struggling with the likes of Henry Wharton, Thulani Malinga.
And Chris Eubank was struggling with the likes of Tony Thorton, Ray Close, Dan Schommer. Fighters that Roy Jones Jr would toy with and he did toy with two of em Thulani Malinga, Tony Thorton.
Nigel Benn has a chance of a one punch KO but remember Roy Jones Jr, could hit very hard at Super Middleweight. And Nigel Benn's chin wasn't exactly granite either and he did leave his chin exposed. Nigel Benn would of been destroyed within 6 rounds.
Chris Eubank would of survived the distance but he would of made it, a negative awkward fight for Roy Jones Jr. And it would have been a snoozefest 12 round decision for Roy Jones Jr, i can't see Roy Jones Jr stopping Chris Eubank after i see Chris Eubank move all the way up to Cruiserweight.
And take bombs off a big punching Cruiserweight like Carl Thompson, and those punches didn't even wobble Chris Eubank once. The man had a legendary chin/will but he would be no match for Roy Jones Jr. And i think he even admitted that once.
Compared to his previous do or die all bombs approach.....I actually think Benn was doing some different things at that point in with Wharton,the Eubank rematch etc leading into the McClellan fight.I saw him showing some maturity and actual boxing...setting traps and alot of head,defensive movement and punching more straight in with Wharton.He was clipped off the top of the head in 5th by Wharton but dont think he was struggling at all really.
Thing with Roy is that he would always try,and more often than not succeed,at setting the table very early and letting guys know "this is my ring,your just visiting" with sharp shots early on in the 1st,2nd round and alot of his opponents up to that point were lost after that.But he also could leave himself in dodgy spots with his follow ups,he was amazing in handspeed but not a technically sound in defense,uppercuts from the floor,wide hooks and rushing in himself.Reflex-instinct-athleticism were his keys.Around 95' point and 160-165 had ever faced a two fisted,end you with one shot possibility ever pressing threat up to that period,no not Toney,A Castro,Sosa,Brannon, etc.On paper and with hindsight being 20/20..now...He may have clipped Benn early for mass effect.But he would not go unscathed himself,Benn would not be in "awe" of moment or Jones aura or intimidated and just fall over when forced.In the minority,but then and now,I think it would have benn a toss up.Would have loved this fight,shame it never came off.
Re: nigel benn on roy jones
shame RJJ never fought benn/eubank & steve collins, gotta be that RJJ didnt want anything to do with any of them
