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The duck test: "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck."
'Most' People are stupid and can see through the mask. Here's a writer that writes Marquez is a tune up fight and argues that Maweather Jr deserves the same accolades as Pacquiao for similar accomplishments?
This is where a little comprehension has to come into play! because it's a natural oxymoron: "It's not what they have done, it's how they did it!"
Or how about "styles make fights".
Again we're going have to use this age old example:
Joe Frazier beat Ali, Flooring him and giving him two of his toughest fights, Ali said it was the closed to death he has ever felt.
George Foreman absolutely DESTROYED Joe Frazier.
Using your logic because Ali had to dig deep to beat Frazier whilst Foreman almost literally walked through Frazier then Foreman must have been the better fighter?
I seem to remember Ali managing to negate all of Foreman's work and then knocking him out? ;)
Shared opponents have only a small amount of relevance.
The fact of the matter is that boxing ability aside, people go out of their way to pick apart PBF's career because the man is such a dick head outside of the ring but Pac gets no such treatment because he is a nice, humble guy.
People won't mention that Mayweathers style was the reason he took longer than Pac did to KO Hatton, the fact that he is more safety first and wanted to make sure that Hatton was 100% ready to go before opening up on him does not make Pacman '9 rounds better'. We're talking boxing... not Pokemon cards.
Pac advocates and Mayweather Haters won't take into account that Oscar De La Hoya was fully Hydrated and loaded up on glycogen at his optimum weight when Mayweather decisioned him and that he was down at a weight he has not been at in years (hard for an OLD man to do) and that his idiot nutritionist had placed him on a Ketosis diet (meant for mass loss, with no regard to athletic performance) that basically put his body into a catabolic state during his training camp.
Because people love Pac though they're happy to look at the name 'De La Hoya' on Pac's record but disregard any other factors.
It also doesn't help that ODH is a pretty popular hater target either... anything he says regard why he was so badly outclassed by Pac ( I don't want to give Pac zero credit for the win here, but there were reasons it was so bad and they weren't all to do with pac) has been ignored or snubbed because people have wanted to see Oscar fall for a long time.
I'm not saying that Pac has ducked more fights etc but I think it's pretty hard to deny that because PBF is such an arsehole compared to Pac, people will look at Pac through rose tinted glasses and PBF with shit tinted glasses.
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
Floyd always says "Who has he fought/beaten?"....well who the fuck has Floyd beat?!?!?
He didn't WANT to fight Miguel Cotto, he didn't WANT to fight Paul Williams, he didn't WANT to fight Antonio Margarito.
Floyd is extremely skilled but hell Roy Jones fought better guys than he has!
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Lyle
Floyd always says "Who has he fought/beaten?"....well who the fuck has Floyd beat?!?!?
He didn't WANT to fight Miguel Cotto, he didn't WANT to fight Paul Williams, he didn't WANT to fight Antonio Margarito.
Floyd is extremely skilled but hell Roy Jones fought better guys than he has!
Once again I say
if he'd beaten Cotto they'd have said he was inexperienced, like they said in the Margarito fight years later. Paul Williams wasn't established and has now moved up to around middleweight and below, and Margarito was not a threat to Mayweather nor was he a draw.
When Mayweather is the best he doesn't "want" to have to fight anyone, they have to make a name for themselves and fight him.
and Floyd beat everyone to get to the top and then when he was on top people wanted him to act like a fighter still working their way up.
if you look at Pacquiao's list of fighters he has beaten easily, the only person he got to was Barerra which he deserves credit for thats one.
But he only beat Morales after Morales lost to Raheem and moved back down in weight, this is true isn't it? Why didnt Pacquiao fight Raheem? Why did he fight an obviously faded morales? quite simple, for the money. The same thing people try to bash Mayweather for going after. And he never dominated Marquez in ANY of their meetings. Maybe for one round in the first fight but thats the only round he ever dominated isn't it?
Pacquiao moved up and fought David Diaz for the lightweight title right? Why didn't he fight Nate Campbell or Casamayor? Thats about on par with mayweather beating gatti if you wanna go there isn't it?
it can go both ways but everyone only wants to bash Mayweather
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
Floyd always says "Who has he fought/beaten?"....well who the fuck has Floyd beat?!?!?
He didn't WANT to fight Miguel Cotto, he didn't WANT to fight Paul Williams, he didn't WANT to fight Antonio Margarito.
Floyd is extremely skilled but hell Roy Jones fought better guys than he has!
Margarito is a joke, please stop using him as a valid opponent for Mayweather to duck, and Floyd knew he was a joke without any credibility. If Mayweather had outboxed Margarito for 12 rounds similar to Mosley without the knockout he would have been given no credit and people would have complained that he ran all night. As for Cotto, Mayweather was tied up with Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya, and before that Cotto wasn't truly in the picture as competition. IMO Cotto didn't deserve a shot until he beat Mosley which was a month before Mayweather fought Hatton. People are still ignorant to the fact that Mayweather and Cotto never had the oppertunity to fight eachother. Mayweather wanted a breather. If Mayweather legitimately retires without facing one of the three Cotto, Mosley and/or Berto then there is some validity. I think if he fights JMM and Pacquiao, he should still face one of those three if any of them are at the top by the end of this year.
The ironic thing is its so hard for guys like MAyweather and Whitaker to move up compared to Pacquiao, RJJ, and some other guys because Mayweather and Whitaker have a lot less punching power. If you have blinding speed and the power to hurt somebody then you can fight a totally different fight than if you are know you can't stop somebody and you will have to box intelligently. Mayweather and Whitaker are boxing genius' and I just hope MAyweather gets the same credit Whitaker got when he's done his career.
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its too early to dissect and compare both pac and pbf career at the moment.. most of the post here are IFS and BUTS... just look at the FACTS then there you know who has the better record as of the moment..
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
Floyd always says "Who has he fought/beaten?"....well who the fuck has Floyd beat?!?!?
He didn't WANT to fight Miguel Cotto, he didn't WANT to fight Paul Williams, he didn't WANT to fight Antonio Margarito.
Floyd is extremely skilled but hell Roy Jones fought better guys than he has!
your out of your fing mind
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Originally Posted by
Lyle
Floyd always says "Who has he fought/beaten?"....well who the fuck has Floyd beat?!?!?
He didn't WANT to fight Miguel Cotto, he didn't WANT to fight Paul Williams, he didn't WANT to fight Antonio Margarito.
Floyd is extremely skilled but hell Roy Jones fought better guys than he has!
That's the main reason he was a disputed WW champ. PBF should have fought them. Cotto, Williams, and Margarito are big names, just like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.
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Fact is Bob Arum never wanted A fight for Cotto or Margarito against Mayweather,Cotto so avoided Mayweather`s name that it was`nt even funny,I remember hearing,Jim Grey,or maybe Kellerman one time kinda grilling Cotto as to why he would not mention or talk about A fight with Mayweather with Bob Arum`s Drunk red ass standing behind Cotto whispering for him what to say,it was Pathetic!....
Nope,...O`l Bob got just what he wanted,kept it in house...Margarito v.s. Cotto,...now the end result is not what Bob would have preffered I`m sure but that was the Gamble,...Margarito loses fair and square to P.Williams(Which should have earned him A shot at Cotto)but instead he is opted to fight A dangerous contender,while Margarito is allowed to beat Cintron down again,(likely with loaded gloves)and the gets the fight with Cotto,...Believe!,...Bob Arum never wanted either Cotto or Margarito to fight Mayweather.
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Lyle
Floyd always says "Who has he fought/beaten?"....well who the fuck has Floyd beat?!?!?
He didn't WANT to fight Miguel Cotto, he didn't WANT to fight Paul Williams, he didn't WANT to fight Antonio Margarito.
Floyd is extremely skilled but hell Roy Jones fought better guys than he has!
That's the main reason he was a disputed WW champ. PBF should have fought them. Cotto, Williams, and Margarito are big names, just like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.
Mayweather dominated 2 weight classes. And lets be real nobody is dominating 147! Even Pac chose to cherrypick DLH out of that division and you'll never see him there again. Regardless of who you think is better. Can you be honest and say that there is definitely a Mayweather double standard?
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Quinito
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Lyle
Floyd always says "Who has he fought/beaten?"....well who the fuck has Floyd beat?!?!?
He didn't WANT to fight Miguel Cotto, he didn't WANT to fight Paul Williams, he didn't WANT to fight Antonio Margarito.
Floyd is extremely skilled but hell Roy Jones fought better guys than he has!
That's the main reason he was a disputed WW champ. PBF should have fought them. Cotto, Williams, and Margarito are big names, just like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.
Mayweather dominated 2 weight classes. And lets be real nobody is dominating 147! Even Pac chose to cherrypick DLH out of that division and you'll never see him there again. Regardless of who you think is better. Can you be honest and say that there is definitely a Mayweather double standard?
First of all, DLH called out Pac, you have it the other way around. And second, nobody knew DLH was gonna be weight drain the night he fought Pac. FYI, Pac was the heavy underdog. 28 out of 30 of so called "boxing experts" picked DLH to win. Stop making shit up.
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Quinito
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blegit
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Quinito
That's the main reason he was a disputed WW champ. PBF should have fought them. Cotto, Williams, and Margarito are big names, just like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.
Mayweather dominated 2 weight classes. And lets be real nobody is dominating 147! Even Pac chose to cherrypick DLH out of that division and you'll never see him there again. Regardless of who you think is better. Can you be honest and say that there is definitely a Mayweather double standard?
First of all, DLH called out Pac, you have it the other way around. And second, nobody knew DLH was gonna be weight drain the night he fought Pac. FYI, Pac was the heavy underdog. 28 out of 30 of so called "boxing experts" picked DLH to win. Stop making shit up.
I can't fault PAC or PBF for taking the ODLH payday. That being said it was certainly not the most important fight of eithers career and should not be used to gauge their skill.
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ross
P4P means you are the best boxer around regardless of size.
Manny has beaten more current linear champs than Floyd has, infact has Floyd beaten any?
Take light welter, Floyd fought Gatti then ran away from Tszyu, he ran up a weight to take longer to beat a fighter that Tszyu had smashed off the canvas.
There is no denying Pacquiao has fought some very dangerous fighters, even dangerous fighters who dont draw crowds, like Marquez, right after he beat Mab, when he could have taken a soft touch, whereas Floyd has avoided all his percieved threats, like Tszyu, Mosely, Cotto, Margarito and Williams.
Tszyu had already lost to Hatton by the time Mayweather beat Gatti, and well Kostya hasn't fought since, Mayweather went on to beat the shit out of Hatton and yet still gets crap for it, if he would have beaten up Tszyu after the Gatti fight he would of gotten "oh he was already past it, and Hatton already "softened" him up", seriously look at Mayweather's record, has plenty of GREAT wins on it over GREAT fighters, many of which went on to become lineal champs of their divisions, or at least give everyone else hell, it's been said time and time again, Mayweather will always get crap and will never get the credit he deserves, he could beat Marquez, Pacquiao, Cotto, Mosley, and Williams, by the end of 2010 and people will still say that he "avoided" Berto, Ortiz, Angulo, Kirkland, etc., give the guy a break, and i'm by no means a Mayweather fan
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Alright, I am no Pac hater in fact I think the guy earned his undisputed #1 p4p crown with his last victory. I like to keep my emotions out and just be up front and honest. I like Pac more than I like PBF but I am no fool and I will not pretend that Pac is better than PBF. PBF must take on all these bigger fighters of all styles just to move the criticism somewhere else. Nobody gives Pac any criticism for cherrypicking David Diaz and DLH. And nobody wants to acknowledge that Pac AVOIDS boxers. To me Pac is still #1 p4p but I am not going to pretend what I don't see what I see. PBF has fought about every style out there. How many styles has Pac seen? About 1. He feasts on the fighters who come straight at him. Does anyone really want to argue against that? The closest thing to a boxer/movers he has fought is JMM and we see the hell he got. Heck, PBF is even getting criticism for fighting his first time out the #2 p4p guy who gave Pac hell. Why does Pac get all these passes? He fights no boxers who can move. He fought no one at 135 or 147. I am not trying to get all over Pac but if we are going to criticism PBF then lets criticize Pac. But let the criticism be one standard. I know thats difficult because of PBF's mouth but it makes for more accurate opinions.
Re: The Mayweather double standard.
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Quinito
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blegit
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Quinito
That's the main reason he was a disputed WW champ. PBF should have fought them. Cotto, Williams, and Margarito are big names, just like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez.
Mayweather dominated 2 weight classes. And lets be real nobody is dominating 147! Even Pac chose to cherrypick DLH out of that division and you'll never see him there again. Regardless of who you think is better. Can you be honest and say that there is definitely a Mayweather double standard?
First of all, DLH called out Pac, you have it the other way around. And second, nobody knew DLH was gonna be weight drain the night he fought Pac. FYI, Pac was the heavy underdog. 28 out of 30 of so called "boxing experts" picked DLH to win. Stop making shit up.
Making what up? Back it up with facts. DLH hadn't fought at 147 in how many years? So he called Pac out? How about when Mosley called Pac out? How about Margarito calling Pac out? And I call Pac's move a cherrypick because he only took DLH call up offer. No real threat at 147 even got looked at. That is cherrypicking. You don't have to call the person out to cherrypick. How about Pac cherrypicking David Diaz at 135? I don't blame Pac for taking the cash cow DLH but don't overly credit him(drool on his balls) for fighting someone who was not a top 147 pounder. He wasn't even a 147 pounder. At 154 would have been credible. And lets keep your mouth clean and your facts also.
