Arum: "Even a 50/50 split with Floyd and Pac is utter nonsense".

Wasn't Pac being called out on here by a ton of people for supposedly ducking Ricky Hatton because the negotiations stalled?

All this is just bs, its bluster, the fight will be made at some point unless one guy falls off, there's too much money on the table.

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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

At least it should be 51/49 in favor of PAC... Just like the 52/48 PAC got from the Hatton purse split...

PAC is the hottest boxer right now... He should get the lion's share even out of respect for his current status in boxing...
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No your wrong. 50/50 or winner gets majrity of a 60/40. Neither deserve a bigger purse.

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If arum really said that, then pac-floyd is something that might just be wishful thinking, because there's no way floyd agrees to the small share. Esp seeing as how floyd feels he's as big a draw as oscar.

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I dont think the floyd n pac fight will happen anyway. floyd already said he doesnt need pac at all. he does more numbers in ppv buys than pac and gets more of the money when he fights. and by the way floyd is a wayyyy bigger draw than pac and the numbers prove it.

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You can't prove any of that! Mayweather Jr. is not an open book. No one knows what PBF really makes. Back up your statements with real verifiable facts! The numbers don't really Prove anything.

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Mayweather vs DLH was more PPV draws then Pacquiao vs DLH

Mayweather vs Hatton was more PPV draws thwen Pacquiao vs Hatton

Mayweather vs Marquez is gonna do more buys then Pacquiao Marquez

That help? Mayweather is a bigger draw then Pacquiao at the box office. Pacquiao is a more exciting fighter but he isn't a bigger draw atm

If this doesn't prove to people that Floyd's not taking the smaller share, nothing will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iahGWkwDidU

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If this doesn't prove to people that Floyd's not taking the smaller share, nothing will:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iahGWkwDidU

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Thats because Mayweather is the bigger draw.

He took a smaller purse to fight Oscar because Oscar was the bigger draw. Pacquiao isn't a bigger draw then Mayweather according to PPV numbers so why should he take a smaller purse.

this is a 50/50 fight if there ever was one. Mayweather only did slightly better against Hatton in a much better economy (and that was just domestic, obviously Pac does a bit better in the Philippines than Money does) and the way Pacquaio handled Hatton cemented his super stardom, if you don't believe me than you obviously didn't watch Sportscenter anytime in the week or so after the Hatton fight when Manny got more mainstream coverage than any fighter I've seen get in a long time. There is now no bigger star in the game than Manny, Floyd is probably the only one who can match him there.

It will end up 50/50 or around 50/50 (Maybe they agree to Pac getting a little more if he comes up to 147 or the othe way around) and both will make a truckload of money.

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this is a 50/50 fight if there ever was one. Mayweather only did slightly better against Hatton in a much better economy (and that was just domestic, obviously Pac does a bit better in the Philippines than Money does) and the way Pacquaio handled Hatton cemented his super stardom, if you don't believe me than you obviously didn't watch Sportscenter anytime in the week or so after the Hatton fight when Manny got more mainstream coverage than any fighter I've seen get in a long time. There is now no bigger star in the game than Manny, Floyd is probably the only one who can match him there.

It will end up 50/50 or around 50/50 (Maybe they agree to Pac getting a little more if he comes up to 147 or the othe way around) and both will make a truckload of money.

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And Mayweather vs Marquez is gonna do better then Pacquiao Marquez in a worse economy so whats your point?

I can understand that Pacquiao is a star, he's an exciting fighter, he may be a big star right now but he isn't the bigger draw. I agree with you that this should be a 50/50 split.

Bigger star does not = bigger draw.

Oscar De La Hoya sat on top as the biggest draw in boxing even when he was only fighting once a year but he wasn't the hottest sensation at the time either but was still the biggest draw. Mayweather may not be the hottest star, but he is still a bigger draw.

Simple, Mayweather-Marquez is going to do better than Pacquaio-Marquez because Pacquaio back then was not nearly the star that he is now (or not nearly the star Mayweather is now) because the ODLH and Hatton fights made him a star, or at the very least took him to another level. ODLH fights tend to get your name out there. Its not rocket science.

I suspect after the Hatton fight you'd find now that Pac is as big a draw, but that's just speculation but its not baseless considering the bump Pac got from how he beat Hatton and how close they were even before that. Either way, they are close enough for where this is a clear case of where 50/50 would work since there will be so much money in it for both.

My basic point is still that we jump the gun too much on negotiation talks, this is all early, a lot of posturing, if it turns out that in the end the fight didn't happen because somebody wouldn't take 50/50 then crucify him but its early.

You could say that, and you could say the buys in the US economy had something to do with the numbers of Pacquiao and Hatton, but here's my response to that, more of a question really.

PPV buys aren't just a US thing are they? They are world wide aren't they?

I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.

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I think the numbers listed were just domestic. I could be wrong. If there international then obviously Hatton played a big deal in both of those numbers. But I think the 825 and 915 or whatever they were were both just domestic numbers.

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If they are international then Pacquiao's numbers would play into it very much as well as he has an entire country behind him as well.

if they wanna go by the whoever is the biggest draw, well from what i've heard it's Mayweather/Hatton had more PPV sales than Pacquiao/Hatton, and judging on how that was each fighters last fight, well i'd say that Mayweather with all of his trash talking is still a bigger draw, but out of respect that Manny is p4p #1 and that Mayweather gave up the claim when he retired, YET never really lost it, it should be a 50/50 split, Floyd was p4p#1 when he took on Oscar and yet got the smaller percentage, so the whole 51/49 or 52/48 is utter crap

From Dan Rafeal's article about the PPV buys on ESPN.com

"From what my sources tell me, the fight sits at about 825,000 domestic pay-per-view buys with the likelihood that when they're all counted, the total will reach 850,000 or more."

So no that doesn't take into account British buys or the Philippines. I was pretty sure that's how its done so I'm sure that's how it was done with Floyd's numbers too.

I just did a project in a statistics class on boxing PPVs. One thing that I found is that these numbers tend to vary a lot from source to source. HBO usually releases its official numbers for an event at some point, but even those are ballpark figures.

Any way, I agree this one should fall into the 50/50 category, or winner takes more. There's probably more money in this fight than either boxer can make with a different opponent. Either one fighting Cotto or Mosley would be a big event, but not this big. They're crazy not to make this fight happen - there's just too many dollars floating around not to.

Unless Marquez makes it all moot ;D