Re: PBF fans go at it with sports writer...
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Nice Post! I read through that whole thing and I usually cannot stand reading "mailbags."
I actually want to see if anyone on this forum would want to challenge or throw a rebuttal for what Doug Fischer said about Mosley not really ducking Floyd a couple years ago. Any takers? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I really want to know if anyone else has any proof that this happened.
Well, how can you prove Mosley ducked PBF if he wouldn't go into negotiations? Its just like saying "I want someone to prove PBF is ducking Mosley right now." Them not fighting is no proof at all. I am a die hard Mosley fan and believe me I remember vividly that Mosley was called out by PBF before Mosley left lightweight. I remember Mosley saying that the fight isn't right because PBF isn't a big enough draw. And I remember Mosley throwing out a crazy number to fight PBF as a counter. And I know people have to remember the most recent one when Mosley said he had to get his teeth fixed as to why he wasn't interested in fighting PBF. Mosley is my favorite fighter of all time but I am not going to be a bias fight fan. The truth is the truth and fans and haters of certain fighters just suppress the truth if its not what they want to hear. I am a boxing fan first and an honest one even if its a fighter I favor. Of course, most fans aren't about the truth they just want their reality to be what everyone else thinks. But now I think PBF is looking like he doesn't want Mosley. It could be ducking for easier money or whatever but PBF has not fought the fighters he should if he is going to campaign at 147. After JMM, PBF needs to fight Cotto/Clottey winner or Mosley. Otherwise, go down in weight.
You're absolutely right, Fischer had no hard evidence that Shane never ducked Floyd. But being that he's supposedly a "boxing expert" and "close to both camps" at the time, I think his word has more substance that people who speculated Shance ducking Floyd back then.
I believe the term "ducking" gets thrown around like hotcakes. Fighters assess the situation, then take the best possible decision. When someone is on the radar but then eventually doesn't get the fight, people already label them with being ducked. I think when someone, ESPECIALLY, in an interview is asked about a specific fighter and a bizzarre reason or excuse that can be easily be disproved is given, it starts to enter the realm of "ACTUAL ducking." Especially, if the person is a big name fighter. I personally start to dislike fighters when they don't challenge themselves and as his career has panned out, Floyd is losing more and more respect from me.
I think you can make a case for Mayweather ducking Mosley right now. When asked about him, he said "Shane has 5 loses." With the exception of Ricky Hatton this is what Floyd's last 5 opponent's loss column looked like at the time he fought them: De La Hoya had 5 losses, Baldomir had 10, Judah had 4, Mitchell had lost 5, and Gatti had 7. The current fighter he will mix it up with has 4 losses. How is Shane with 5 losses different from his recent competition in the aspect of why Floyd said he wouldn't fight him?
Also, the fact that he said "Shane isn't a PPV draw." I know Shane isn't one of the "cash cows" of the fight game but he's sure a bigger draw than Marquez.
I do think the 5 losses was out of order, but I reckon that Mosley & Mayweather are setting up for a fight against each other. Especially when you consider Golden Boy have apparently got a deal for his next 3 fights. I think that if Mayweather is ducking Mosley now, then Mosley was ducking him when he demanded $10m for a fight between the two, a fact which has been in The Ring recently. TBH, I don't think Shane brings any market that Floyd doesn't already have himself, whereas Marquez brings in a big Mexican market & that's why he's the money fight. If Golden Boy had wanted to make a Mosley-Mayweather fight, I think they would have offered up the cash. I have to say the apparent assertion (not by you, just generally) that Mosley doesn't fight for money is ridiculous, if that's the case he should fight Paul Williams. Hell, somebody should
Re: PBF fans go at it with sports writer...
Mosley should have six loses, he lost the second fight to Oscar, so anyways. Where has Mayweather said he wants to fight at 147? I know he did when he wanted to be the welterweight champ, but I don't recall him saying lately that he cares about being the welterweight champ, he cares about big fights that people care about. IMO people will care about him facing Marquez and Pacquiao, they could care about Mosley, but IMO not the same way. I think Marquez's popularity is going to sky rocket from this fight, people are going to do their research or ask their friends who know boxing and find out what a dangerous guy Marquez is. Once again, I see MArquez as a person who presents more interesting problems for Mayweather stylistically than Mosley who doesn't have the same boxing skills, output, tenacity. I think Marquez is a meaner man than Mosley.
Re: PBF fans go at it with sports writer...
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Well, how can you prove Mosley ducked PBF if he wouldn't go into negotiations? Its just like saying "I want someone to prove PBF is ducking Mosley right now." Them not fighting is no proof at all. I am a die hard Mosley fan and believe me I remember vividly that Mosley was called out by PBF before Mosley left lightweight. I remember Mosley saying that the fight isn't right because PBF isn't a big enough draw. And I remember Mosley throwing out a crazy number to fight PBF as a counter. And I know people have to remember the most recent one when Mosley said he had to get his teeth fixed as to why he wasn't interested in fighting PBF. Mosley is my favorite fighter of all time but I am not going to be a bias fight fan. The truth is the truth and fans and haters of certain fighters just suppress the truth if its not what they want to hear. I am a boxing fan first and an honest one even if its a fighter I favor. Of course, most fans aren't about the truth they just want their reality to be what everyone else thinks. But now I think PBF is looking like he doesn't want Mosley. It could be ducking for easier money or whatever but PBF has not fought the fighters he should if he is going to campaign at 147. After JMM, PBF needs to fight Cotto/Clottey winner or Mosley. Otherwise, go down in weight.
You're absolutely right, Fischer had no hard evidence that Shane never ducked Floyd. But being that he's supposedly a "boxing expert" and "close to both camps" at the time, I think his word has more substance that people who speculated Shance ducking Floyd back then.
I believe the term "ducking" gets thrown around like hotcakes. Fighters assess the situation, then take the best possible decision. When someone is on the radar but then eventually doesn't get the fight, people already label them with being ducked. I think when someone, ESPECIALLY, in an interview is asked about a specific fighter and a bizzarre reason or excuse that can be easily be disproved is given, it starts to enter the realm of "ACTUAL ducking." Especially, if the person is a big name fighter. I personally start to dislike fighters when they don't challenge themselves and as his career has panned out, Floyd is losing more and more respect from me.
I think you can make a case for Mayweather ducking Mosley right now. When asked about him, he said "Shane has 5 loses." With the exception of Ricky Hatton this is what Floyd's last 5 opponent's loss column looked like at the time he fought them: De La Hoya had 5 losses, Baldomir had 10, Judah had 4, Mitchell had lost 5, and Gatti had 7. The current fighter he will mix it up with has 4 losses. How is Shane with 5 losses different from his recent competition in the aspect of why Floyd said he wouldn't fight him?
Also, the fact that he said "Shane isn't a PPV draw." I know Shane isn't one of the "cash cows" of the fight game but he's sure a bigger draw than Marquez.
I do think the 5 losses was out of order, but I reckon that Mosley & Mayweather are setting up for a fight against each other. Especially when you consider Golden Boy have apparently got a deal for his next 3 fights. I think that if Mayweather is ducking Mosley now, then Mosley was ducking him when he demanded $10m for a fight between the two, a fact which has been in The Ring recently. TBH, I don't think Shane brings any market that Floyd doesn't already have himself, whereas Marquez brings in a big Mexican market & that's why he's the money fight. If Golden Boy had wanted to make a Mosley-Mayweather fight, I think they would have offered up the cash. I have to say the apparent assertion (not by you, just generally) that Mosley doesn't fight for money is ridiculous, if that's the case he should fight Paul Williams. Hell, somebody should
Paul williams is at 154, mosely 147. while i believe paul is going to be a great of his generation. Mosley and floyd would expose him. I think with NAZ in shane corner he will expose him. Worse than quintana did. But he's at 154, so he can fight Mora or Forrest.
Re: PBF fans go at it with sports writer...
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blegit
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Nice Post! I read through that whole thing and I usually cannot stand reading "mailbags."
I actually want to see if anyone on this forum would want to challenge or throw a rebuttal for what Doug Fischer said about Mosley not really ducking Floyd a couple years ago. Any takers? I'm not trying to be antagonistic, I really want to know if anyone else has any proof that this happened.
Well, how can you prove Mosley ducked PBF if he wouldn't go into negotiations? Its just like saying "I want someone to prove PBF is ducking Mosley right now." Them not fighting is no proof at all. I am a die hard Mosley fan and believe me I remember vividly that Mosley was called out by PBF before Mosley left lightweight. I remember Mosley saying that the fight isn't right because PBF isn't a big enough draw. And I remember Mosley throwing out a crazy number to fight PBF as a counter. And I know people have to remember the most recent one when Mosley said he had to get his teeth fixed as to why he wasn't interested in fighting PBF. Mosley is my favorite fighter of all time but I am not going to be a bias fight fan. The truth is the truth and fans and haters of certain fighters just suppress the truth if its not what they want to hear. I am a boxing fan first and an honest one even if its a fighter I favor. Of course, most fans aren't about the truth they just want their reality to be what everyone else thinks. But now I think PBF is looking like he doesn't want Mosley. It could be ducking for easier money or whatever but PBF has not fought the fighters he should if he is going to campaign at 147. After JMM, PBF needs to fight Cotto/Clottey winner or Mosley. Otherwise, go down in weight.
You're absolutely right, Fischer had no hard evidence that Shane never ducked Floyd. But being that he's supposedly a "boxing expert" and "close to both camps" at the time, I think his word has more substance that people who speculated Shance ducking Floyd back then.
I believe the term "ducking" gets thrown around like hotcakes. Fighters assess the situation, then take the best possible decision. When someone is on the radar but then eventually doesn't get the fight, people already label them with being ducked. I think when someone, ESPECIALLY, in an interview is asked about a specific fighter and a bizzarre reason or excuse that can be easily be disproved is given, it starts to enter the realm of "ACTUAL ducking." Especially, if the person is a big name fighter. I personally start to dislike fighters when they don't challenge themselves and as his career has panned out, Floyd is losing more and more respect from me.
I think you can make a case for Mayweather ducking Mosley right now. When asked about him, he said "Shane has 5 loses." With the exception of Ricky Hatton this is what Floyd's last 5 opponent's loss column looked like at the time he fought them: De La Hoya had 5 losses, Baldomir had 10, Judah had 4, Mitchell had lost 5, and Gatti had 7. The current fighter he will mix it up with has 4 losses. How is Shane with 5 losses different from his recent competition in the aspect of why Floyd said he wouldn't fight him?
Also, the fact that he said "Shane isn't a PPV draw." I know Shane isn't one of the "cash cows" of the fight game but he's sure a bigger draw than Marquez.
I like how PBF said "these guys been beating each other but none of them beat Floyd Mayweather"..referring to cotto, margarito, mosley, .... duhhhh you didn't fight any of them.
I wish Brian Kinney would have used the example of Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran and said if one of them stood off to the sidelines and didn't fight any of the others and used the excuse that none of them beat him yet..... What a fool.
