Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
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hattonthehammer
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Pugilistic
Mayweather is faster and more accurate.
Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory. :mad:
marqs the heavier puncher and if he can carry his from from 126/135 into 147 he should have the faster hands.
Mayweather is the smarter and more precise fighter and boxing smarts more often than not get the better of raw aggression!
I have to argue that dude.. I think most are forgetting Floyds career south of 147 he was more virtuoso and more than exciting.. he Koed and tkoed quite a string of impressive opposition.
I ask why you think Marquez is a better puncher?
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
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JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by
Pugilistic
Mayweather is faster and more accurate.
Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory. :mad:
marqs the heavier puncher and if he can carry his from from 126/135 into 147 he should have the faster hands.
Mayweather is the smarter and more precise fighter and boxing smarts more often than not get the better of raw aggression!
I have to argue that dude.. I think most are forgetting Floyds career south of 147 he was more virtuoso and more than exciting.. he Koed and tkoed quite a string of impressive opposition.
I ask why you think Marquez is a better puncher?
im pretty much just going on both of the guys performances at 126
i always thought floyd was more about speed and the ability he had to fight off the back foot rather than marquez who quite often saw off opposition by blowing them away with his strength and hand speed.
Wouldnt be surprised one bit if floyd does become the dominant fighter from the word go as he is far more established at 147. But if marq can manage to use the extra weight to his advantage he might just have a chance!!
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
I'd take Marquez as one of the most accurate puncher's of all time and Mayweather as one of the fastest of all time. P4P of course. I am very excited too watch this,but I still can not see Marquez pulling this one out. Mayweather is just too big at this point. Marquez has to just focus on Mayweather's ring rust and beat him with ring intelligence.
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
Faster: easily PBF
Accuracy: JMM
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
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Faster: easily PBF
Accuracy: JMM
Curious what compubox says
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
Mayweather is faster,and more accuurate imo. I am not a Mayweather fan but think he is a step above JMM. I predict a late stoppage or very clear points win, JMM is'nt getting any younger and is smaller.Only way i see a JMM win is if Floyd shows up with ring rust.(But will be gunning for JMM but just dont see it).
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
Okay 1st things 1st, Floyd never fought at 126 :rolleyes:
Secondly, this fight is a crock of shit. Im so disappointed that this fight is happening anywhere north of 140.
Some people have speculated about Marquez' power...?
Well I agree that there could be some marginal increase in his power since his 126/30 days but to be fair, Marquez has HAD to lay on the steak in his last couple of Wars. He's been forced to dig deep and bring on the KO'S. To me, that's a glaring testament to a subtle decline, if anything.
If i'm honest, Iv'e never been to good with assuming how a fighter will look at a new weight. I got it horribly wrong With Floyd at 154 and Pac at 147... Even Williams at 168. But with Marquez, im pretty sure there will be absolutely NO increases (let a lone advantages) in speed and power.
The scary thing about this fight, is that with Marquez' biggest asset being accuracy. How bad is he going to look against Floyd's unearthly timing and reflexes.
JT rock is spot on is assuming that Floyd holds all the advantages.
For me this fight does nothing for Boxing, or the P4P ratings.
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
:rolleyes:
Im so disappointed that this fight is happening anywhere north of 140.
Can't see floyd wanting to get in the ring any less after 18 month layoff
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
Yeah that part is obvious.
Im focusing more on Marquez and why i hoped he'd just knock the whole idea on the head because it JUST DOESN'T FIT.
This fight is nonsense.
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
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JT Rock
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Pugilistic
Mayweather is faster and more accurate.
Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory. :mad:
Exactly!
The glaring thing I noticed since this fight was announced is a mirror image to what had to be a factor in Floyds mind about how he intends to dismantle JMM, which is Pac fans trying to build up JMM as they are doing it to will him on to defeat Mayweather so that way it will make Pacs EXTREMELY questionable draw and win look better if Marquez catches lightning in the bottle and defeats Mayweather.
In Floyds mind he will comprehensively beat JMM and use that in the Mayweather/Pac promotion to one up Pacquiao
Whoever says Marquez ability is on par with Mayweather is just ridiculous, whatever marquez can do Floyd can do better, just a simple fact. I welcome anyone to intellegintly argue that
There's one thing Marquez has proven he can do well, while Mayweather is still a question mark.
Fight. Not box, but fight. The thing is, Mayweather is so good, he's rarely had to show his heart. Marquez trumps PBF all day long in that category. I will say that Floyd has fought through adversity well in spots - the first Castillo fight comes to mind, as well as fighting through the rust with Augustus - but I've never seen him in a fight where his skill wasn't enough. I do think there may be a few fighters out there who could test him in this way, but I doubt that Marquez is one of them. Floyd doesn't fight to win (at least nowadays), he fights to not lose. And he's brilliant at it. The only way I see anyone beating him is by forcing him to open up offensively in order to win.
And that might be next to impossible.
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
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brucelee
I am a JMM fan and I'm hoping that JMM would be able to really counter Mayweather the way he had countered Pac.
I'm currently watching the fights of Mayweather right now especially his fights with Hatton and DLH. Against DLH, Mayweather seems to have a problem with DLH's jabs. Weight drained or not, those jabs didn't bother Pac at all.
If JMM was able to counter Pac really well, then against PBF, he has a chance of countering PBF. Pac has an unorthodox style (aside from being too fast). I guess this is the reason why BArrera, Morales, HAtton and DLH ultimately could not handle Pac. But this could not be said with JMM. JMM was able to counter Pac despite his unorthodox style. I'm wondering now if PBF's shoulder roll and defense would be effective against a great counter puncher.
Against HAtton, Mayweather seems to have a problem with HAtton's aggressiveness. Hatton was really doing well against PBF. ASide from the late TKo, I really believe HAtton was doing well against Mayweather despite the fact that he was also not moving his head. Mayweather, hardly took advantage of it. Hatton was doing the same thing against pac. He was also not moving his head and he was bullying Pac but it proved to be fatal for him.
LAstly, Pac knocked down JMM many times but he simply could not end him. If pac is too fast(against Diaz, Morales, BArrera), too strong (against HAtton) and accurate (against DLH) but still was ineffective against JMM, I wonder how MAyweather would handle JMM.:cool:
My forecast for this fight: SPLIT decision that could go to JMM's favor.
I agree with you!!! My Prediction will be a Disputed decision for PBF or A DRAW!!!
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
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Hunter
I would say Floyd has the advantage in speed but I think both are very accurate with maybe Marquez slightly getting the nod in that department. I just think the advantage Floyd gains from being at the higher weight and Floyd's superior defense will win the day. Marquez gets hit alot and Floyd has the speed and power to bother Juan. I say Floyd wins comfortably on points, maybe 5 points give or take.
You never know though, JMM comes to fight and is definitely going to have his moments here and there. I am looking forward to the fight.
Floyd has a big advantage in size. He is taller by two inches and has a five inch longer reach. Did anyone see them standing next to eachother at the news conference for the announcement of the fight prior to the Pacquiao fight? To me, the disparity in size was glaring.
There are, of course, ways to counteract an opponent's size advantage, but the advantage plays into Floyd's whole style. Even if he were fighting a boxer of the same stature, Floyd would use his superior footwork to outmaneuver and out-position his opponent. In this way, a smaller opponent is even better for that style because he has to worry less about having to exchange and by using his reach advantage.
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bcollins
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JT Rock
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Pugilistic
Mayweather is faster and more accurate.
Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory. :mad:
There's one thing Marquez has proven he can do well, while Mayweather is still a question mark.
Fight. Not box, but fight. The thing is, Mayweather is so good, he's rarely had to show his heart. Marquez trumps PBF all day long in that category. I will say that Floyd has fought through adversity well in spots - the first Castillo fight comes to mind, as well as fighting through the rust with Augustus - but I've never seen him in a fight where his skill wasn't enough. I do think there may be a few fighters out there who could test him in this way, but I doubt that Marquez is one of them. Floyd doesn't fight to win (at least nowadays), he fights to not lose. And he's brilliant at it.
The only way I see anyone beating him is by forcing him to open up offensively in order to win.
And that might be next to impossible.
I agree completely and I'm not sure Manny or Marquez, as smaller fighters, have the ability to do it. Also, even when that is done, it's not certain that Floyd will wilt.
That said, maybe Floyd will come out fighting in this one so that he can get the upper hand in negotiations with Pacquiao. Pacquiao bested Floyd in his wins over ODLH and Hatton. Will Floyd best Pacquiao in his win over Marquez to provide him more leverage in negotiation?
Marquez is a warrior and a great boxer. I'll never completely count him out, but the odds are against him.
I'm not sure Marquez's ability to time and counter punch has been mentioned yet. Probably because it is near impossible to out-time Floyd.
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
I'm still looking forward to the fight, though ;D
My money is on Money, but I'm rooting for Marquez, just because I think he is a great fighter who deserves more respect than he gets.
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
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Originally Posted by
JT Rock
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Originally Posted by
hattonthehammer
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Originally Posted by
Pugilistic
Mayweather is faster and more accurate.
Mayweather has the advantage in every catergory. :mad:
marqs the heavier puncher and if he can carry his from from 126/135 into 147 he should have the faster hands.
Mayweather is the smarter and more precise fighter and boxing smarts more often than not get the better of raw aggression!
I have to argue that dude.. I think most are forgetting Floyds career south of 147 he was more virtuoso and more than exciting.. he Koed and tkoed quite a string of impressive opposition.
I ask why you think Marquez is a better puncher?
Who's has the toughest chin among the PBF opponents??? Did PBF Ko them??
Castillo, DLH & Famoso were the toughest Chin among PBF's opponents. Hatton & Chico stopped Castillo but PBF can't. Pac stopped DLH. PBF Can't. Famoso KD by Pac's Brother. PBF can't even drop Famoso.
Now look at JMM's resume? JMM the only one who stopped Diaz & Casamayor. Do you think PBF's capable of Koing both guys? I don't hink so!!
Re: Who is more accurate and faster?: The case of Mayweather vs Marquez
Who's has the toughest chin among the PBF opponents??? Did PBF Ko them??
Castillo, DLH & Famoso were the toughest Chin among PBF's opponents. Hatton & Chico stopped Castillo but PBF can't. Pac stopped DLH. PBF Can't. Famoso KD by Pac's Brother. PBF can't even drop Famoso.
Now look at JMM's resume? JMM the only one who stopped Diaz & Casamayor. Do you think PBF's capable of Koing both guys? I don't hink so!![/quote]
I'm a Pac fan but take those blinkers off!
1/ Mayweather fought Oscar at 154,he was much closer to his prime and NOT weightdrained.Pac fought an absolute shell of Oscar at 147 + Roach's 'rules'.Any decent fighter north of 135 would have beat Oscar that night.He was a walking punchbag.
2/ Mayweather fought a prime Castillo at his best weight.Hatton fought a shot Castillo at a weight where he was uneffective. Chico v Castillo - total war,either man could of went,both men exhausted.
