I always remember what Frazier did to Jimmy Ellis. When He lost Yance Durham He wasnt the same Fighter in my Eyes. If at the time Ellis couldnt Hit Him, dont think Holyfield would my 2 cents.
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I always remember what Frazier did to Jimmy Ellis. When He lost Yance Durham He wasnt the same Fighter in my Eyes. If at the time Ellis couldnt Hit Him, dont think Holyfield would my 2 cents.
Frazier wins either on points or late stoppage in a brutal fight. Holyfield was a great fighter but against opposition that wasn't in the same league as the greats of the 1970s that Frazier fought.
I would say Joe Frazier would win. Like ICB said, he fought a seamingly unbeatable opponent in Muhammad Ali and won (in their first fight). Then again he was destroyed brutally by George Foreman so who knows :confused:
Both guys at their best would have been an amazing contest!!!
I'd have to slightly favor Frazier... what a war it would have been!!!
First of all i would like to say that Joe Frazier is an underrated heavyweight boxing champion, he got blasted away by George Foreman twice and this really is the only time he was convincingly beaten.
He fought Ali 3 times for 1 win and two close losses, the thriller in manilla could easily have seen Ali quit at the same time. Both guys were completely done at the fights end.
IMO Frazier would catch Evander with that famous left hook mid fight, Frazier would get inside of Holyfield something Tyson did not know how to do, Tyson was all power and he only ever had one fight strategy and that was to blast away and if he connected then well and good. Holyfield was always going to be a problem for Tyson. Smokin' Joe on the other hand was a wiley customer, bobbing and weaving, hard to hit and he would get on the inside and come up with that left hook that was one of the most devastating in boxing. Sure, you could catch Joe coming in, but would Evander have the power to stop him? I don't think so.
Its hard to say. I dont think Joe Fraizer was at his 'best' for too long in his career so im not going to use the Ali fight as an indication of Fraizer's chances.
Holyfield had a good hustle inside and just outside at that awkward distance. And lets not forget that Fraizer for all his will, was so one handed, i think Holyfield had the right mix of guts, steele and technique to stay with Fraizer and out score him.
Holyfield would have a chance, but recalling the Frazier that demolished Quarry, and gave Ali three servings of hell, I'd have to go with "Smoking Joe" as being more than what Holyfield could handle.
Really tough one to call but would have been a brilliant fight.
Prime Holyfield would have stayed on the outside and boxed. He would have mixed it when he wanted too or had to. He did have a tendency to engage too much like he did with Quawi or Bowe and that may have cost him the victory in a tough points decision to a prime Frazier that beat Ali.
If anyone goes anyone else but Frazier:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: he'd murder Evander!:cool:
nice one Al. Personally would pick Joe in an easier fight than most think.
I think outside of Evander's uppercut the only thing that would worry me about picking Joe is that he started fights slowly and this would give Evander time to win rounds, but if we're talking a 15 round fight, that's plenty of time for Joe to regain the lead.
If anyone could outwork and out hustle Evander it's Joe Frazier
One of the hardest pickems on here in a long time.
12 rounder and Evander doesn't try to stand and bang I think he can win enough rounds to squeak out a SD. I think Evander's ability to combine great counterpunching and also good inside work could earn him an early lead that would carry him to a win. As most said already I think in a 15 rounder Joe's chopping body shots would slow down Evander and earn a UD or late stoppage.
Personally, I don't think that Evander, even at its peak, could deal with the power and size of smoking Joe, he could perhaps make it to the final bell but I am almost certain that he wouldn't go with the win.
I see your argument, however, I would say this: 1) Big George was a monster in itself and I don't think that the real deal would have done much better against him and second, Perhaps that the Smoking Joe-Foreman fight was a combining of a bad day at the office for Joe and the destructive capacities of George combined together.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocky Balboa
Hell there is no shame in getting whupped by Big George, Evander had a 40+ year old Foreman and Big George gave Holyfield all he could handle.