Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
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Originally Posted by
KostyaTszyuTeam
The point is, thats all well and good at 147, but at 140 he is a whole new fighter. Judah does fade late, but id have to say he has more boxing skill than Hatton, and the size to do better at 140, than against guys like Cotto and Clottey. He is better early Judah. How embarrassing would it be if he's beaten at 2am in England by Judah!!
I think he could beat a Matthew Hatton,and it wouldn't be a huge surprise.
How exactly would Judah be reinvented totally at 140 given his recent showings and wear and tear?He has not been there in years. I think he is an old 30,31 (?) and has not exactly been dazzling in last few vs his lesser 'Opponents'.Starting to cut up,let his mind wander...more so and fade late indeed.
After Ricky Hatton was beat in that manner....being crushed like a paper cup so brutally,A guy like Zab might get him just as easily as some so-so type brought in to make Hatton look 'top notch' in his initial comeback bout.Hatton could go either way....but it does not automatically translate into Zab dusting off the 140 division though.
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
We will see, hindsight is 20/20............JUDAH to show greater boxing maturity together with being a bgger fighter at 140 as oppossed to 147. KO victory to Judah.
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
This thread is crazy. Judah is one of the most overrated fighters I've seen. When was his last good performance? How anyone thinks he's above B-level is beyond me.
I could'nt agree more, we have awaited the coming of Zab for years but it never really happened,so to suggest he would beat Ricky Hatton now because of his defeat to Manny:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
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Originally Posted by
bzkfn
This thread is crazy. Judah is one of the most overrated fighters I've seen. When was his last good performance? How anyone thinks he's above B-level is beyond me.
I quite agree with you bz, The first few posts on this thread made me think they were talking about matthew hatton. No way does Judah, who was knocked silly by KT, beat the guy who beat the hell out of KT.
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Zab Judah has A Level talent and D Level dedication.....If he puts his mind to it and stays focus he is dangerous.
I just dont think he comes in focused and doesnt train hard enough. He will beat Matthew but not Ricky....
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Matthew who? RH-Judah would be a big attraction. But imo RH-Khan is bigger attraction and less dangerous for Ricky.
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Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll retire each other with a double knockout.
Zab is a mental case; but I'm pretty sure Ricky is ruined after that trainwreck with Pacman. Either Zab stops him early or Hatton humps and hits him until Judah quits. Pick em' fight;D
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
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Originally Posted by
KostyaTszyuTeam
We will see, hindsight is 20/20............JUDAH to show greater boxing maturity together with being a bgger fighter at 140 as oppossed to 147. KO victory to Judah.
Can I ask...based on what? When has Judah ever shown any kind of boxing maturity? It was a year ago that he threw scales through a window and lost out on a massive payday against Mosley. The man has never shown any kind of maturity, even in a boxing ring. He's failed to KO some real lower level fighters. What makes you think he'd be a force at 140?
Do you know Judah aint shit any more and are just trying to dig at Ricky because he beat the crap outta your boy? Do you just constantly make threads about Hatton because Big H challanged you on Kostya Tszyu being an all time great?
Honestly, I have yet to see one post of logic from you to explain why you make such stupid claims in your posts.
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
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bzkfn
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Originally Posted by
KostyaTszyuTeam
We will see, hindsight is 20/20............JUDAH to show greater boxing maturity together with being a bgger fighter at 140 as oppossed to 147. KO victory to Judah.
Can I ask...based on what? When has Judah ever shown any kind of boxing maturity? It was a year ago that he threw scales through a window and lost out on a massive payday against Mosley. The man has never shown any kind of maturity, even in a boxing ring. He's failed to KO some real lower level fighters. What makes you think he'd be a force at 140?
Do you know Judah aint shit any more and are just trying to dig at Ricky because he beat the crap outta your boy? Do you just constantly make threads about Hatton because Big H challanged you on Kostya Tszyu being an all time great?
Honestly, I have yet to see one post of logic from you to explain why you make such stupid claims in your posts.
Word.
Those are logical musings. ;)
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
Because Judah has been calling out Ricky, and got Mathew instead. Because Judah is a higher profile fighter at 140 and could sell well much better than the guys holding belts. Because Judah is actually better than all the guys holding belts at 140. Because Judah at 140, can see his offensive flurries MORE EFFECTIVE than against the bigger guys at 147. Judah was a force at 140 even when Tszyu beat him, then went up to 147 not long after.
Because Judah is a more skilled boxer than Ricky Hatton, and he went the distance with Clottey (BIG) and Mayweather (SKILLFUL) On his own merits, he is a former Undisputed 147 pound Undisputed champion. I think he was WBO 140 champion when he went up to 147 first time.
Zab Judah is a SOUTHPAW, and if Collazo made Hatton look bad, at 140, where Judah is stronger and faster, Hatton will probably look worse. The game plan was shown by Pacquiao. Right hook works everytime. Judah has a pretty good right hook. His straight left is so so, which lends me to believe its not an automatic assumption, but he is a reasonable boxer who got beat by some better boxers at 147, namely Cotto and Clottey and Mayweather. I dont see Hatton beating them other two guys at 147 either. The one disgrace was losing to Baldomir, but this is Judah were talking about, so no surprise. At 140, a different fighter...........and I think he beats Hatton at 140 being psychologically not the same, fighting a southpaw.
Amir Khan may be a bigger fight, true.
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You are rambling like a weirdo. :rolleyes:
Hopefully nobody else will choose to reply to this drivel that you spout off. It's quite boring.
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
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Originally Posted by
KostyaTszyuTeam
Because Judah has been calling out Ricky, and got Mathew instead. Because Judah is a higher profile fighter at 140 and could sell well much better than the guys holding belts. Because Judah is actually better than all the guys holding belts at 140. Because Judah at 140, can see his offensive flurries MORE EFFECTIVE than against the bigger guys at 147. Judah was a force at 140 even when Tszyu beat him, then went up to 147 not long after.
Because Judah is a more skilled boxer than Ricky Hatton, and he went the distance with Clottey (BIG) and Mayweather (SKILLFUL) On his own merits, he is a former Undisputed 147 pound Undisputed champion. I think he was WBO 140 champion when he went up to 147 first time.
Zab Judah is a SOUTHPAW, and if Collazo made Hatton look bad, at 140, where Judah is stronger and faster, Hatton will probably look worse. The game plan was shown by Pacquiao. Right hook works everytime. Judah has a pretty good right hook. His straight left is so so, which lends me to believe its not an automatic assumption, but he is a reasonable boxer who got beat by some better boxers at 147, namely Cotto and Clottey and Mayweather. I dont see Hatton beating them other two guys at 147 either. The one disgrace was losing to Baldomir, but this is Judah were talking about, so no surprise. At 140, a different fighter...........and I think he beats Hatton at 140 being psychologically not the same, fighting a southpaw.
Amir Khan may be a bigger fight, true.
1. Judah didn't call out Ricky. He requested the fight with Matthew in order to put himself in a position to possibly fight Ricky. This is a Welterweight fight, not at 140.
2. Judah didn't go the distance with Clottey. He was well on the way to being stopped so claimed he "couldn't see because he was butted" just so the fight would go to the scorecards early. Truth is, the cut was caused by a punch and he bitched and moaned until the referee believed him.
3. Judah hasn't won a big fight since 2005 when he beat Cory Spinks.
4. At this stage of his career, I honestly think Urango & Bradley for sure would beat Judah. Bradley is too skillful for him and Urango is too powerful. Once he couldn't put a dent in Urangop he'd lose heart...again.
5. You said Judah was a force at 140 when Tszyu beat him...that was 8 fucking years ago!!!!! Seriously, I cannot believe you brought that up to support your argument.
I swear I think you fainted when Tszyu lost to Hatton, hit your head and landed in a coma. You recently came out of that coma thinking we're still in 2005 or something.
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#1 I wouldn't put Ricky in with another power punching southpaw
#2 I thought Ricky's next fight was going to be his last fight?
Here are the fights I would want for Ricky if I was managing him: Michael Katsidis, Junior Witter, Ricardo Torres, Kendal Holt, Tim Bradley, Jorge Barrios, and Nate Campbell.
I think even some of those guys could beat Ricky
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I did watch the Clottey fight.............once, awhile ago, yes, thats right, thanks for reminding me it was stopped early. I will always be here to have fun with Ricky's career win draw or Lose. If its boring you, easy, just p##s off then and dont read it.
Interms of the facts, mate, he called Ricky out as well as Pacquiao. Accept the fcat, at 140 Judah is dangerous and will beat the sh*t out of Hatton. I see Judah stoppig BOTH Hattons!! A whole different fighter at 140. You cant seem to accept the fact Hatton can be beat by other guys. Definetly Judah over Hatton, styles make fights :cool:
Re: Judah to RETIRE Hatton
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Originally Posted by
KostyaTszyuTeam
I did watch the Clottey fight.............once, awhile ago, yes, thats right, thanks for reminding me it was stopped early. I will always be here to have fun with Ricky's career win draw or Lose. If its boring you, easy, just p##s off then and dont read it.
Interms of the facts, mate, he called Ricky out as well as Pacquiao. Accept the fcat, at 140 Judah is dangerous and will beat the sh*t out of Hatton. I see Judah stoppig BOTH Hattons!! A whole different fighter at 140. You cant seem to accept the fact Hatton can be beat by other guys. Definetly Judah over Hatton, styles make fights :cool:
I totally accept the fact that Hatton can be beaten. Yeah I'm a Hatton fan but personally I think he's taken it as far as he can go.
But what FACT is it that Judah is a different animal at 140? He hasn't KO'ed anybody since Spinks. He hasn't shown anything that makes him elite for years. So honestly, what the fuck are you talking about? I'm not buying you know shit about what you're talking about.
