Pernell Whitaker or Manny Pacqioau greater resume?

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06-11-2009, 04:23 AM
halo1

Re: Pernell Whitaker or Manny Pacquiao greater resume?

Please see above the correct spelling of Manny's family name...fyi
06-11-2009, 04:25 AM
donnydarkoIRL

Re: Pernell Whitaker or Manny Pacqioau greater resume?

Whittaker....man he was something else.

I'm one of the guys that believes he never actually lost;D

His evasiveness was just incredible.
He mastered boxing.

I like Pacquiao and think he's an ATG, but Pernell's resume is better and if they fought Manny would be soundly beaten
06-11-2009, 07:17 AM
halo1

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I used to think Manny was all speed, a little bit of power but had very crude boxing skills. Yet, he did improve and continuously does so every fight after his loss to Morales. That is what is makes him different. It would be unfair to compare both fighters now. Let us wait till Manny retires and judge him then. As it is, Pernell's record and abilities may give him the edge for now. However, if Manny fights Mayweather, JMM (again), Cotto, maybe Mosely and wins convincingly, then there will be no question who has a better resume and who is a better fighter. Hell even if he loses to one of the four mentioned, I would probably cast my vote his (MP) way.
06-11-2009, 10:29 AM
JazMerkin

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Whitaker all day, the guy really was something else, for my money, the greatest fighter of the 90s ahead of Roy Jones & that is saying a lot because Jones was amazing. Apart from the Trinidad fight which he clearly lost, but he was shot by then & the following Bojoruez fight when he broke his collar bone (& even then I thought he would of won had that not happened), I think he won every fight of his career. I thought he edged ODLH, although it was close, I got the impression he would have had to have got a near shutout to win, he most DEFINITELY beat JCC & the corruption that robbed him in the Ramirez fight defied belief (even rounds my ass)
06-11-2009, 10:38 AM
ICB

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Whitaker all day, the guy really was something else, for my money, the greatest fighter of the 90s ahead of Roy Jones & that is saying a lot because Jones was amazing. Apart from the Trinidad fight which he clearly lost, but he was shot by then & the following Bojoruez fight when he broke his collar bone (& even then I thought he would of won had that not happened), I think he won every fight of his career. I thought he edged ODLH, although it was close, I got the impression he would have had to have got a near shutout to win, he most DEFINITELY beat JCC & the corruption that robbed him in the Ramirez fight defied belief (even rounds my ass)

I thought he done pretty good against a prime Felix Trinidad, considering how past his prime he was. I think he won 3 or 4 rounds, and he was able to really hurt Felix Trinidad to the body in round 7. In that fight you see a great older fighter, who lost his reflexes and speed.

And he had to slug it out and you really see how much heart and how good of a chin, Pernell Whitaker had. And not many people know that Pernell Whitaker actually had a broken jaw aswell.
06-11-2009, 10:39 AM
ICB

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Delete triple post by accident.
06-11-2009, 10:44 AM
JazMerkin

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Whitaker all day, the guy really was something else, for my money, the greatest fighter of the 90s ahead of Roy Jones & that is saying a lot because Jones was amazing. Apart from the Trinidad fight which he clearly lost, but he was shot by then & the following Bojoruez fight when he broke his collar bone (& even then I thought he would of won had that not happened), I think he won every fight of his career. I thought he edged ODLH, although it was close, I got the impression he would have had to have got a near shutout to win, he most DEFINITELY beat JCC & the corruption that robbed him in the Ramirez fight defied belief (even rounds my ass)

I thought he done pretty good against a prime Felix Trinidad, considering how past his prime he was. I think he won 3 or 4 rounds, and he was able to really hurt Felix Trinidad to the body in round 7. In that fight you see a great older fighter, who lost his reflexes and speed.

And he had to slug it out and you really see how much heart and how good of a chin, Pernell Whitaker had. And not many people know that Pernell Whitaker actually had a broken jaw aswell.

I agree, I thought he took 3 rounds, maybe 4 at most, but he still clearly lost. I think if that fight was a year earlier, he wins it, but by then he just wasn't what he once was.
06-11-2009, 12:51 PM
Pacdbest2

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Pac is greater... no question about it. we are in Awe everytime we see Pac annihilates greAT fighters, With Whitaker we're in the snooze mode.
06-11-2009, 12:58 PM
JazMerkin

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

Pac is greater... no question about it. we are in Awe everytime we see Pac annihilates greAT fighters, With Whitaker we're in the snooze mode.

Who was greater in your opinion Pac or Sugar Ray Robinson?
06-11-2009, 01:00 PM
Violent Demise

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Pernell Whitaker is a much much better fight than Pacquiao and Whitaker has the much much better resume. Pacquiao realy hasn't beaten anybody that impresses me besides Juan Manuel Marquez and he barely survived two fights and you can may'be throw in Jorge Solis, but that's reaching. He's beaten a shot Marco Antonio Barrera, Erik Morales, Oscar De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. There is nothing about Pacquiao's resume that impresses me, Whitaker hands down it isn't even close.

Then you're not watching boxing. His wins over Ledwaba, BArrera, Morales, DLH,Hatton impressed the world.

PAc first fought a BARRERA THAT WAS POUND FOR POUND NUMBER2 in many people's eyes that time. Some would even argue that he is pound for pound #1. Remember the title "KING OF THE FEATHERWEIGHT?" How can you say he was shot?

Watch pac's fights and tell me you're not impressed.;D;D;D

I have no doubt that you have no clue who Whitaker is
06-11-2009, 01:38 PM
Spicoli

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

Pac is greater... no question about it. we are in Awe everytime we see Pac annihilates greAT fighters, With Whitaker we're in the snooze mode.

I'll spot you Barrera 1st time around.Lost on what other greats he has annihilated.Ledwaba...Lucero ???
06-11-2009, 02:21 PM
ICB

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Originally Posted by Pacdbest2

Pac is greater... no question about it. we are in Awe everytime we see Pac annihilates greAT fighters, With Whitaker we're in the snooze mode.

Yes no doubt thats an unbiased opinion based on your name :rolleyes: try watching other fighters other than Manny Pacquiao.
06-11-2009, 02:40 PM
OumaFan

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Whitaker's is better for now.

But LOL, some of you guys are talking about a top 40 all time fighter like he's some scrub. Chavez-Pacquaio is a great fight.

And making excuses for the first Barrera fight is so tired. Barrera was in or around his physical prime and Pacqauio annihalated him. Nothing fluky about it.
06-11-2009, 02:48 PM
JazMerkin

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Whitaker's is better for now.

But LOL, some of you guys are talking about a top 40 all time fighter like he's some scrub. Chavez-Pacquaio is a great fight.

And making excuses for the first Barrera fight is so tired. Barrera was in or around his physical prime and Pacqauio annihalated him. Nothing fluky about it.

Although, I didn't actually talk about Pac, I agree on the first MAB fight, people can't make excuses about Barrera's personal life, because they sure wouldn't do it if it was a less popular fighter. That was a fantastic win.

However, on comparing the 2, whilst Pac is a top 40 atg (right now), maybe top 30 for me, Whitaker is in most top 20s and in a lot of top 10s, hence why some reactions might be a little harsh, especially when you get certain people who act like boxing didn't exist before Pacquiao
06-11-2009, 06:48 PM
Taeth

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I definitely would argue it, Whitaker was great, but Pacquiao resume was a lot better than Pernell's, and who exactly would have beaten Manny? Julio Cesar Chavez was smaller than Pernell Whitaker, and a similarly smaller JCC in comparison to PAcquiao would not beat him, no way would Chavez be able to deal with his speed and movement.

The difference is Whitaker like Mayweather fought and beat a lot of solid competition, but Pacquiao has foughten and beaten a lot of great competition.

As for a confrontation between Pacquiao and Whitaker, how can you say that Whitaker would win easily? People don't even think Mayweather who is faster, harder to hit, and bigger would win easily. I see Pacquiao who is faster, so busy offensively, and so powerful giving WHitaker all he can handle and more. Whitaker's defense relied on reflexes that wouldn't work against as well against a faster fighter. I have Manny winning 6/10, he's the better fighter.

Also in your list Pacquiao fought Marquezx2 and Barrerax2

I've seen Whitaker's career, and he definitely beats young Pacquiao, but not modern Pacquiao.

And you wonder why people consider you idiot. Whitaker in his prime toys with Pacquiao. Easily. 10 rounds to 2. A shut out wouldn't be out the question. You need to look at Whitaker acutally fight. Instead of just looking at his record, seeing his poor ko % and saying Pac beats him. Cuz that wouldn't be the case.

And if you really think Pac could beat Chavez than your not just an idiot. Your an idiot with a serious crack problem. Prime for prime Chavez would molest Pacquiao the way your uncle did to you as a kid

Your the fucking idiot, Did you see prime Chavez against amateur MOsley? He got his ass kicked in sparring. You guys say I overhype Pacquiao, yet you are the ones who are saying that Whitaker has the better resume?

RIcky Hatton, Marquezx2, Barrerax2, Moralesx2 were all in the top 10 p4p when Pacquiao fought them. The third Morales fight I don't consider much, but the second one was a good version of Morales, he was quick, sharp and determined, but Manny broke him. Everybody has bad fights saying the Zahir Raheem fight defined Morales at that stage of his career is like saying Whitaker's first fight against Ramirez defined his ability as a fighter, or Floyd Mayweather against Castillo in their first fight, or Hopkins against Mercado. Sometimes people have bad fights and they just don't bring it like they normally do. If you insinuating that Morales wasn't near top form(obviously he wasn't in his prime, but he was physically in great shape for hte second PAcquiao fight).

Furthermore I've seen Whitaker's career, and I love him as a fighter, but that doesn't automatically make him 10x better than PAcquiao, that would be a stupid assumption. Sure Mayweather and Pacquiao fought Oscar after his prime, but WHitaker fought him before it, and still didn't win.

Pacquiao fought three mexicans who among them two have had careers that some people think equal that of JCC, and the third isn't far behind. Not only that but JCC like I said was coming up to face Whitaker.

Half the guys ICB mentioned on WHitaker's resume like Haugen, etc were c or b- type fighters, the guys like that on Pacquiao's resume don't even get mentioned because there is no need for that, he has foughten so many fights against A- or higher opponents like HAtton, Morales, Barrera, Marquez, and Oscar De La Hoya, and its not just that he fought them, but the three mexicans on that list he faced a total of 7 times and he came out 5-1-1. He beat Oscar worse than Mayweather did, and he beat Hatton way worse than Mayweather did. Make all the excuses you want(even i want to make them because I like Floyd better), but he did it.

Furthermore styles, Whitaker was arrogant to the nine. He would leave his hands down because his reflexes and speed were superior to any person he faced in his career(except maybe Oscar by that point), but Whitaker was still significantly slower than Pacquiao or Mayweather, and his tactics wouldn't have worked against them, if he tried to keep his hands down, PAcquiao would have land on him for sure.

As for how Pacquiao would do against the guys Whitaker faced honestly JCC's style against current Pacman woudln't have worked that simply because of footspeed, we saw JCC have a terrible time trying to find Whitaker when he was moving, or Meldrick Taylor when he didn't stand and trade. Pacquiao would have been able to get in and out at will against JCC, and he wasn't the same level of counter puncher that Barrera or Marquez are, nor did he have their speed. Furthermore had Pacquiao fought JCC under the same circumstances as WHitaker, it would have been him that would have been the naturally larger man. I can concede that at the same size a grinder like JCC would give PAcquiao a ton of trouble, but if PAcquiao was the bigger faster man, it would have been JCC who would be wearing down late, just like he did against Whitaker. Like Azumah Nelson they both fought Whitaker in weights higher and past their prime. Sure Azumah had exciting fights with Fenech after that, but do you honestly think Leija could have beaten a prime A. Nelson?

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