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close fight but 116-111 is very suspicious
and freakin that time it took for the cards to be annouced is always such a bad idea, it always happens when theres a close fight.
plus pr day tomorrow and top rank promotions comon dude the fight was so rigged the only way josh could have won was by a clear KO
its almost like cotto only need to do half of what clottey does to win a round
Cotto is marketable. Cotto has a strong fan base. More people want to see Cotto fight than see Clottey fight. Cotto generates more money than Clottey. Cotto has a more pleasing style than Clottey. Cotto makes more exciting fights than Clottey. So one score card was off. Thats why.
The other two cards were legitimate.
Clottey isnt stupid. Or maybe he is. He admitted how difficult it would be a to win a decision in MSG but still took off the final, most important rounds of the fight then tried to pull some whining that made him look bad in front of everyone. Its not Cottos fault he won, it's Clotteys fault Cotto won.
Cotto looked a hell of a lot more gassed to me and he kept throwing punches. Couldnt Clottey tough it out and let his hands go a bit? Thats his own fault!
It was a split decision, though the 116 111 was ridiculous, it was not a robbery. I had cotto by 1 round and i was rooting for clottey.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Round 1 i had for clottey till he got knocked down
Clottey also gave it away when he decided not to through in the 12th and some other rounds
People need to stop throwing there toy's out of there pram. It was a very close fight not a robbery at all, i wasn't actually scoring it RBR.
But the impression i got is that Joshua Clottey didn't do enough in the last 2 rounds.
And Miguel Cotto may of stole it and remember Joshua Clottey, was legitmately knocked down. Which made a difference in the fight.
Yes the two judges did score it completely wrong, but that doesn't mean Miguel Cotto didn't deserve to win or that it was a robbery.
It was a close fight. I have to watch it again to score it fairly. I didn't know who was gonna get the decision and wouldn't have complained if it went either way.
Clottey landed more punches, but fights are judge round by round. A ton of punches in one round wins the round but his lack of output in other rounds and especially the championship rounds didn't help him.
Cotto on the other hand did a lot of running. I know the blood in the eye didn't help, but he needed to try to land harder punches by luring Clottely into exchanges.
I want to see a rematch. Both guys put on a good show but I was hoping that one or other would look more dominant.
You realize that even if Clottey had won the 11, and the 12th rounds he was getting a draw? He won the 10th and that ensured a draw if he won the last 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cortez The Killer
I think it was obvious how dominant he was by the time the 9th round rolled around. But on the scorecards he was already far enough behind that he wasn't getting a decision, only a draw at most.
So you can't say "Its Cllottey's own fault" when even if he'd finished strong the most he'd have gotten was a draw The fact that by the end of the 9th Cotto was so far ahead that Clottey needed a knockout to win. You can't blame that on Clottey
It was a similar fight to Berto-Collazo, although its funny that some people who claimed that as a robbery don't see this is as one.
IMO neither is, this was a close fight, & Cotto showed world-class boxing skills in the last few rounds, although I did feel Clottey took the fight.
Exactly. The cut changed the whole complexion of the fight. Without it there would have been far less running from Cotto, who simply couldn't see the punches coming.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesno robbery dude it was a close fight, i had Cotto winning 114-113, IMO without the cut it would have been a completely different fight, rematch wouldn't be out of the question, good fight thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Cotto edged it, Clottey gave it away when he should have been trying to dominate the end. He didn't do enough.
And Clottey getting thrown down and hurting his knee didn't change anything :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesno robbery dude it was a close fight, i had Cotto winning 114-113, IMO without the cut it would have been a completely different fight, rematch wouldn't be out of the question, good fight thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Exactly. The cut changed the whole complexion of the fight. Without it there would have been far less running from Cotto, who simply couldn't see the punches coming.
Cotto edged it, Clottey gave it away when he should have been trying to dominate the end. He didn't do enough.
There have been far worse cases of robbery than this one.
I had it 114-113 Cotto. Clottey just stopped working in the last three rounds, dunno if it was complacency, fatigue or a mixture of the two, but if you've just beaten the living crap out of your opponent in the previous two rounds by using stiff jabs and following it up with hooks and uppercuts why do you suddenly stop doing those things? And I also didn't like his football-esque dive in the fifth and him trying to get points deducted off Cotto in the last.
I have a new found respect for Cotto, never used to like the guy for some reason but he manned up tonight and all credit to him. Clottey lost the fight all by himself.
Not nearly as much. The only round that it looked maybe it had an effect was the sixth (and who knows what's going through Clottey's head, he's a strange dude) and like they said Clottey's not a footwork fighter. On the other hand Cotto seemed to clearly have a problem seeing the right for about ten rounds.
It only had a noticable effect for one round and afterwards his movement was fine. He didn't mention it too much after the fight either. Cotto had to go most of the fight with impaired vision. I think the latter had more of a bearing on the fight overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyAnd Clottey getting thrown down and hurting his knee didn't change anything :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by milesQuote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Exactly. The cut changed the whole complexion of the fight. Without it there would have been far less running from Cotto, who simply couldn't see the punches coming.
Cotto edged it, Clottey gave it away when he should have been trying to dominate the end. He didn't do enough.
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Originally Posted by OumaFan
Clottey isn't a footwork fighter no, but he throws a great left hook and a good jab, without your left leg to plant that they aren't gonna be very effective.
Notice how Clottey's left hook and jab disappeared after he was thrown down?
IMO, Clottey stopped throwing punches late in the fight because Cotto started catching him big time him in exchanges.
Cotto gutted it out.
It looked like it did. But after Clottey was thrown down when did he throw his left hook or his jab as consistantly as he had before being thrown down? You need your front foot to throw the left hook and the jab effectively, it disappeared after he was thrown down and it was his jab and left hook that was setting up his offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by milesIt only had a noticable effect for one round and afterwards his movement was fine. He didn't mention it too much after the fight either. Cotto had to go most of the fight with impaired vision. I think the latter had more of a bearing on the fight overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by MajestyAnd Clottey getting thrown down and hurting his knee didn't change anything :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
So it may have looked like it didnt effect him only because he wasn't grimmacing in pain every second, but it obviously effected him because he rarely if ever jabbed or threw his left hook after, he was trying to combo and leap forward and load up with his right, didn't set up his shots anymore after he hurt his knee, so it DID effect him