Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
blegit
That is why Roach said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. To all the people who choose not to accept the truth against their fanfair, if the 2 or 3 pounds is no factor then why is Pac's team the adamant ones? Why is 147 good for DLH and PBF but not Mosley or Cotto? Answer these questions factual without getting offended.
I am not a boxing expert like most of you guys, but i think this is fairly simple to answer.
The bottomline is that they want the FIGHT-NIGHT weight to be fair.
It is no secret that Cotto can balloon to 158 pounds during fight night. Pacs highest fight-night weight is 148 pounds against ODLH. That is a 10-pound weight advantage! Is that fair?
By having a catchweight, they are hoping that Cotto can balloon to only 153 pounds during fight night. He would still be the bigger man but at least, the fight will be more fair.
Roach doesn't have any problem having catchweight with PBF cause PBF's fight night weight is only 150 pounds, which is close to Pac's fight-night weight of 148 pounds.
It seems to me that you are the one who likes to stack things against Pac by demanding unfair weight advantages.
And don't tell me that Cotto will be weight-drained by agreeing to 145 lbs. He came in at 146 lbs against Clottey. Jeesh. He needs to lose only 1 lb while climbs 15 lbs if we consider that he fought at 130 just a year ago like C-Lo said.
This is all about making a fair fight during FIGHT NIGHT.
Now, I would like to hear your response to this.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
keypool
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Originally Posted by
blegit
That is why Roach said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except PBF. To all the people who choose not to accept the truth against their fanfair, if the 2 or 3 pounds is no factor then why is Pac's team the adamant ones? Why is 147 good for DLH and PBF but not Mosley or Cotto? Answer these questions factual without getting offended.
I am not a boxing expert like most of you guys, but i think this is fairly simple to answer.
The bottomline is that they want the FIGHT-NIGHT weight to be fair.
It is no secret that Cotto can balloon to 158 pounds during fight night. Pacs highest fight-night weight is 148 pounds against ODLH. That is a 10-pound weight advantage! Is that fair?
By having a catchweight, they are hoping that Cotto can balloon to only 155 pounds during fight night. He would still be the bigger man but at least, the fight will be more fair.
Roach doesn't have any problem having catchweight with PBF cause PBF's fight night weight is only 150 pounds, which is close to Pac's fight-night weight of 148 pounds.
It seems to me that you are the one who likes to stack things against Pac by demanding unfair weight advantages.
And don't tell me that Cotto will be weight-drained by agreeing to 145 lbs. He came in at 146 lbs against Clottey. Jeesh.
This is all about making a fair fight during FIGHT NIGHT.
146 may have been calculated and his choice, this nonsence from Roach isn't the first time he's done it. People are bending over backwards to accomodate him and Manny. They're getting lured by the big payday and the chance to take the current p4p fighter off his spot. That's a big lure, whether it's your healthiest option gets forgotten.
It's about weight divisions. If your reasoning is correct lets just weigh people before they jump in the ring, just to be fair.
If Pac can't handle fighters at 147lbs then don't challenge them. IF they do fight Cottos title should not be on the line because it is not a welterweight fight it's something Roach created to suit his fighter.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
If your reasoning is correct lets just weigh people before they jump in the ring, just to be fair.
I have heard it proposed in chatrooms that it be 147 lbs same-day weigh in. Would you agree to that?
IMHO, this is even more disadvantageous for Cotto. I have read other boxing writers also comment on this, and they also agreed that same day weigh in of 147 lbs is not good for Cotto.
I am sure Pac's team would prefer 147lb same-day weigh in versus 145lb the day before weigh-in.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
spade
If Pac wanted to be champion at 147, he must fight at 147lbs. weight. Why catch weight?
It will be pac and Pac alone that would benefit this crazy idea.
Nope. Pac would actually lose some of his speed and punching power effectiveness by agreeing to 145 lbs. His best fighting weight is 140 lbs.
For Cotto losing 1 lb (he was 146 lbs against Clottey), he might lose a little of his power, but he will not be weight-drained as people here exaggerate.
This makes it a fair fight. They both have to meet half-way to make this mega-fight happen.
Also, refer to my earlier post regarding fight-night weight being fair.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
keypool
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
If your reasoning is correct lets just weigh people before they jump in the ring, just to be fair.
I have heard it proposed in chatrooms that it be 147 lbs same-day weigh in. Would you agree to that?
IMHO, this is even more disadvantageous for Cotto. I have read other boxing writers also comment on this, and they also agreed that same day weigh in of 147 lbs is not good for Cotto.
I am sure Pac's team would prefer 147lb same-day weigh in versus 145lb the day before weigh-in.
Gatti was notorius for blowing up between weigh-ins and fight night. It can be an advantage if done safely, do it too quickly and it won't.
I'm sure they would like same day weigh-ins but if that was the case Cotto would be a least one division higher.
They switched from same day weigh-ins for safety reasons, the same as dropping from 15 rounds to 12 and increasing glove weight.
If you have boiled down in weight (& unless you're a heavyweight you'll have to cut) it takes time to rehydrate the body safely.
Roach may be looking after his fighter, on the otherhand it shows no regard for the safety of fellow boxers to ask them to cut weight below what they usually do.
Maybe Pac can move back down to 126?
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
So, what would be an agreeable same-day weigh-in WEIGHT for you THAT IS FAIR to both sides? I am curious. Consider that Pac would come in around 148 lbs whatever weigh-in you propose, and that Cotto would probably take the maximum limit.
Now don't tell me that a 10-lb weight advantage for Cotto is FAIR for you?! I would be surprised if you said that.
Obviously, there has to be compromises on both sides to make this mega-fight. Same thing in real life.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
I don't agree to same day weigh-ins.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
keypool
So, what would be an agreeable same-day weigh-in WEIGHT for you THAT IS FAIR to both sides? I am curious. Consider that Pac would come in around 148 lbs whatever weigh-in you propose, and that Cotto would probably take the maximum limit.
Now don't tell me that a 10-lb weight advantage for Cotto is FAIR for you?! I would be surprised if you said that.
Obviously, there has to be compromises on both sides to make this mega-fight. Same thing in real life.
JMM is having to work to put on weight to go up and fight PBF. Just like every other fighter who has moved up a division.
All the I'll move up a bit and you move down a bit is crap.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
@Howlin,
Ok, let me simplify my question for you.
Is a 10-lb fight-night weight advantage for Cotto FAIR for you? (148 lbs vs 158 lbs)
It seems that you want Pac to give Cotto a 10-lb weight bonus advantage and call it a FAIR FIGHT! :o:o
Are you that scared of Pac???
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
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Originally Posted by
keypool
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Originally Posted by
Howlin Mad Missy
If your reasoning is correct lets just weigh people before they jump in the ring, just to be fair.
I have heard it proposed in chatrooms that it be 147 lbs same-day weigh in. Would you agree to that?
IMHO, this is even more disadvantageous for Cotto. I have read other boxing writers also comment on this, and they also agreed that same day weigh in of 147 lbs is not good for Cotto.
I am sure Pac's team would prefer 147lb same-day weigh in versus 145lb the day before weigh-in.
Gatti was notorius for blowing up between weigh-ins and fight night. It can be an advantage if done safely, do it too quickly and it won't.
I'm sure they would like same day weigh-ins but if that was the case Cotto would be a least one division higher.
They switched from same day weigh-ins for safety reasons, the same as dropping from 15 rounds to 12 and increasing glove weight.
If you have boiled down in weight (& unless you're a heavyweight you'll have to cut) it takes time to rehydrate the body safely.
Roach may be looking after his fighter, on the otherhand it shows no regard for the safety of fellow boxers to ask them to cut weight below what they usually do.
Maybe Pac can move back down to 126?
Some people :rolleyes:
The safety argument is a load of bollocks!
Fighters are not idiots! They know they have to lose the additional weight naturally to be functional. Cotto would have to be a fool to boil down the additional weight (ah... 2 pounds, even sounds stupid) the last days before the fight.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
Great point Keypool. No, a 10 pound difference in fight aint fair. People must understand Freddie's point of view before they rudely criticize him. He's just evening up the actual fight as much as possible.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
ASIAN SENSATION
Great point Keypool. No, a 10 pound difference in fight aint fair. People must understand Freddie's point of view before they rudely criticize him. He's just evening up the actual fight as much as possible.
i still think pac can beat cotto on their match up 148 vs 158 during fight night because of pac's speed though. and i want pac to get the 147 belt legitimately at 147 not on some catchweight!
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
I also believe even at 147 lbs PAC has a 50/50 chance of winning just on the basis of speed ans skill.
Re: Coach Freddie Agress at 145lbs.
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Originally Posted by
The_Infinite
As far as I know, there is no word yet whether the proposed Pac-Cotto fight will be a welterweight Championship. And I wouldnt call fighting Cotto at a catchweight of 145 being a case of wallet outgrows your heart, considering Cotto was fighting at 140 not long before. Its still a dangerous fight for both parties.
And since you've brought up the "Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess" stuff, I think you should check out what Mayweather has been doing lately and who his next fight is up against ;D. At least pac has the nuts to name Cotto and Mosley as a possible future opponent. As far as I know, all FMJ did when the name Mosley was tossed around was to stutter ;D.
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blegit
Well, its obvious Roach made himself look silly with that statement that was an attempt to look bold. He said he doesn't care if Cotto weighs 200 pounds. Yeah, I guess the catchweight thing is Cotto's request. Okay, does he remember he said he would not let Pac fight any welterweight at 147 except the smallest welterweight and that is PBF. Also, Roach only agreed to 145 because he is now demanding a 70-30 purse and the fight to be scheduled before October. Using baseball as an excuse. Cotto has one helluva cut to heal and there is no reaonable way that skin will be fully healed by October. Pac is the best fighter and Roach is the best trainer right now but I'm tired of all his shenanigans trying to pull advantages and unfair moves. It sounds like Pac vs. Cotto. Wow, what a matchup! Until you factor in the catchweight and not allowing that vicious cut to heal properly. Anybody who has ever boxed for a significant time can clearly understand the disadvantages. Just like DLH and PBF, Pac and Roach are now picking and choosing opponents and conditions instead of just fighting the best out there as is. These guys are more business than boxing. This is what happens in boxing when your wallet outgrows your heart. If you want to defeat Cotto just to defeat him as a fighter thats fine. But if you want to be called welterweight champ then you need to beat a welterweight champ at welterweight. Even the bias Pac fan can not reasonably argue against that simple logic. If Pac and Roach think the welterweights are too big, hence the catchweight, then go after Judah, PBF, Campbell, Bradley, Valero, or JMM. Its obvious he wants none of Mosley. Mosley said he would take their catchweight and purse split yet
they'd rather try to lure Cotto. Boxing is hurting itself with this kind of mess.
No!!!! JMM wanted Floyd and he is doing it the right way. He called out the bigger man and he is going to fight the biggerman.
Not freeze dry him 1st like they did to DLH and tried to do to Shane and Cotto.
Roach already admitted he wont put Pac at a weight disadvantage. Stay at 140 then guys or shut up and man up and fight these guys at their OPTIMAL weight and condition.
THERE IS NO GLORY FIGHTING AND BEATING A GUY WHO ISINT AT HIS BEST WEIGHT.
