Vitali-Haye moves closer for 12th september

I think David would have trouble with very average fighters at heavyweight. Ruslan would be difficult for him to beat, Valuev wouldn't be impossible for him to beat but that fight won't happen as Haye isn't a Don King fighter.

Hell David Haye could have trouble with the likes of John Ruiz but we don't know because he has never fought anyone of that quality (that was difficult for me to write seriously)

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Dizaster has it 100% correct, David Haye would get beaten by an average heavyweight...if David was half the man Steve Bunce talks about then wouldn't he have fought a bigger and better heavyweight than Monte Barrett???

David Haye can talk and promote himself in the UK, but in the real world Haye has accomplished nothing

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This is possibly the most ludicrous post I have read in my short time here at Saddo...:rolleyes:

To suggest that he should have gone for a Better quality of opponent in his first fight as a HW is plainly nonsense!! Do you bypass the position that Haye needs to bring himself on, like any other HW would in their first legitimate fight in the Division...just to make a soundbite:rolleyes:

Then to cap it all off you say Haye has accomplished nothing...I nearly pissed myself laughing;D He was undisputed Cruiserweight Champion...your're biasness blinds you:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by mofo2

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Dizaster has it 100% correct, David Haye would get beaten by an average heavyweight...if David was half the man Steve Bunce talks about then wouldn't he have fought a bigger and better heavyweight than Monte Barrett???

David Haye can talk and promote himself in the UK, but in the real world Haye has accomplished nothing

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This is possibly the most ludicrous post I have read in my short time here at Saddo...:rolleyes:

To suggest that he should have gone for a Better quality of opponent in his first fight as a HW is plainly nonsense!! Do you bypass the position that Haye needs to bring himself on, like any other HW would in their first legitimate fight in the Division...just to make a soundbite:rolleyes:

Then to cap it all off you say Haye has accomplished nothing...I nearly pissed myself laughing;D He was undisputed Cruiserweight Champion...your're biasness blinds you:rolleyes:

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Good post.

Well said;D

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Originally Posted by mofo2

This is possibly the most ludicrous post I have read in my short time here at Saddo...:rolleyes:

To suggest that he should have gone for a Better quality of opponent in his first fight as a HW is plainly nonsense!! Do you bypass the position that Haye needs to bring himself on, like any other HW would in their first legitimate fight in the Division...just to make a soundbite:rolleyes:

Then to cap it all off you say Haye has accomplished nothing...I nearly pissed myself laughing;D He was undisputed Cruiserweight Champion...your're biasness blinds you:rolleyes:

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Well I'm happy you enjoyed that post, allow me to explain stuff you might have misinterpretted.

#1 David Haye was asked who would be his opponent for 11-15-2008 and HAYE said it would be a household name and a dangerous fighter....he fought Monte Barrett who is none of the above. Should David not get called out for talking one way and acting in another way???

#2 I never said David should act like any other heavyweight just entering the division. I said David should fight better competition and well now he should just fight. He's either the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion who is ready to do something at heavyweight OR he's just a novice heavyweight, he should either fight GOOD fighters or work his way up, he cannot have it both ways!

#3 David Haye accomplished something at CRUISERWEIGHT. What cruiserweights ...what CHAMPION cruiserweights have moved on to heavyweight and actually gone on to have success? Holyfield? James Toney? My reason for bringing it up is because it's not something that happens all the time HOWEVER cruiserweights moving up to heavyweight and getting destroyed does happen an awful lot and even to the good cruiserweights.

#4 What has Haye accomplished that gives you Haye fans any hope of him doing well in the heavyweight division? He's a cruiserweight champ...so was Vassily Jirov, so were Dwight Qawi, Carlos DeLeon, Ossie Ocasio and not a one of them had success at heavyweight.

I'm not biased, I'm just waiting for David Haye's ACTIONS to match his talk

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by mofo2

This is possibly the most ludicrous post I have read in my short time here at Saddo...:rolleyes:

To suggest that he should have gone for a Better quality of opponent in his first fight as a HW is plainly nonsense!! Do you bypass the position that Haye needs to bring himself on, like any other HW would in their first legitimate fight in the Division...just to make a soundbite:rolleyes:

Then to cap it all off you say Haye has accomplished nothing...I nearly pissed myself laughing;D He was undisputed Cruiserweight Champion...your're biasness blinds you:rolleyes:

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Well I'm happy you enjoyed that post, allow me to explain stuff you might have misinterpretted.

#1 David Haye was asked who would be his opponent for 11-15-2008 and HAYE said it would be a household name and a dangerous fighter....he fought Monte Barrett who is none of the above. Should David not get called out for talking one way and acting in another way???

#2 I never said David should act like any other heavyweight just entering the division. I said David should fight better competition and well now he should just fight. He's either the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion who is ready to do something at heavyweight OR he's just a novice heavyweight, he should either fight GOOD fighters or work his way up, he cannot have it both ways!

#3 David Haye accomplished something at CRUISERWEIGHT. What cruiserweights ...what CHAMPION cruiserweights have moved on to heavyweight and actually gone on to have success? Holyfield? James Toney? My reason for bringing it up is because it's not something that happens all the time HOWEVER cruiserweights moving up to heavyweight and getting destroyed does happen an awful lot and even to the good cruiserweights.

#4 What has Haye accomplished that gives you Haye fans any hope of him doing well in the heavyweight division? He's a cruiserweight champ...so was Vassily Jirov, so were Dwight Qawi, Carlos DeLeon, Ossie Ocasio and not a one of them had success at heavyweight.

I'm not biased, I'm just waiting for David Haye's ACTIONS to match his talk

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Your not biased? For real?

Well which part of that last post was biased?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well which part of that last post was biased?

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1..The part where you expect a fighter new in a division to be taking on Dangerous fighters instead of easing himself in:rolleyes:

2..Then the part where you dismiss the fact he was Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion as having achieved nothing:rolleyes:


There is nothing wrong in not rating a fighter or believing the division he fights in is'nt that good..and then putting a reasoned argument to why you believe that point of view...but to expect him to live up to his claims on the back of one fight and one Pull out because of injury without really giving any valid reason....I GOTTA SAY SEEMS CUT AND DRIED BIAS TO ME:cool:

#1 David Haye wants to fight the Klitschko's in his 3rd heavyweight fight after fighting the likes of Tomaz Bonin and Monte Barrett so either David Haye is ready to fight the top level guys or he isn't. I would have had 0 issue had Haye fought a Sam Peter or hell even Oleg Maskaev or Andrew Golota someone who actually used to fight at the top level and THEN called out Wlad but he fought 2 bums and called out Wlad, that doesn't add up to me. Even if you look at Floyd Mayweather Jr. taking a tune up fight to get ready at 140, he fought Demarcus Corley a guy who actually did something at 140.

#2 Which of those guys as cruiserweight that David Haye beat would do anything at heavyweight??? I think Haye has talent and everything but history has shown us that cruiserweights don't usually do all that great in the heavyweight division.

Again I will go with what my sig says. A deal will be done. They will start the press conference's about a month or less left to go David Haye will shit himself again and say I am not making enough money for this fight. Then cancel it do to his pu$$y bleeding.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

#1 David Haye wants to fight the Klitschko's in his 3rd heavyweight fight after fighting the likes of Tomaz Bonin and Monte Barrett so either David Haye is ready to fight the top level guys or he isn't. I would have had 0 issue had Haye fought a Sam Peter or hell even Oleg Maskaev or Andrew Golota someone who actually used to fight at the top level and THEN called out Wlad but he fought 2 bums and called out Wlad, that doesn't add up to me. Even if you look at Floyd Mayweather Jr. taking a tune up fight to get ready at 140, he fought Demarcus Corley a guy who actually did something at 140.

#2 Which of those guys as cruiserweight that David Haye beat would do anything at heavyweight??? I think Haye has talent and everything but history has shown us that cruiserweights don't usually do all that great in the heavyweight division.

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I can't but disagree..I like Haye and think he has great potential in the division and has gone about it the right way..although I can agree his mouth does himself no favours and causes enough debate to cover most forums between the fans who follow him and the fans who despise him!

Sometimes I think just shut up myself TBH.:cool:

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Originally Posted by Dizaster

I hope Haye does well, but I don't see it.... He knows how to win at lower weight, but he gets beaten up too... And he's picked out the biggest bully at heavyweight...

Honestly, my theory is he doesn't even want to give it a real shot at heavyweight.... He didn't want to be exposed by a lesser heavyweight, so he's just going after the biggest and baddest... If he wins by chance, he can claim to be the best heavyweight.. Well, good luck to him, and on a single night anything can happen.. That does not make him the best heavyweight out there until he defends....
But if he loses, he can go off saying "well, at least I fought the best, and you can't complain about losing to the best out there"....

I don't think it's out of courage that he's gone after Wlad & Vitali, I think it's out of fear of being beaten and being exposed by a lesser heavyweight... I guess the old cliche "no shame in losing to the best" is what he feels he can fall back on if he doesn't deliver as promised at heavyweight.... I still think he should have made an honest go and taken a fight or 2 at heavyweight before fighting one of the Klitchco's... And they should have demanded that of him...

Now he's going to get his head knocked off and boxing will be none the better for it..

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Agree totally that's been his attitude from the beginning of his HW adventure. It 's like challenging Nadal and Federer at tennis, getting battered then claiming to be no.3 on earth.

I just like my boxers to be actually fighting, rather than talking about it, his style will be entertaining, especially against heavyweights that can take a good punch, but he'll need stamina to get by them and that could still be an issue.

I have to say that Haye being so vocal has had alot to him getting a title shot.( smart work on his part) However i agree with Lyle that Haye could well get beaten by lesser HW , i mean the guy hasnt been fully tested on the chin by a desent HW puncher. Haye oviously has the power to KO many HW's , but if he meets a guy who can take his punch , and hit very hard , then i cant see how Haye can win , i just dont see him having a plan B in the HW division. He has a punchers chance against Wlad , but for me i dont think he has any chance against Vitali unless Vitali has slipped due to his age.

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Originally Posted by robinswe01

I don't see any way Haye can win. With Wlad i thought there could be a chance if Haye caught him, but Vitall is tough. He took Lennox Lewis' best shots and kepk coming. Vitall is even bigger and stronger that Wlad. I predict Haye to to be KO'd in the middle to late rounds. Vitally has somthing like a 95% KO record. There is no chance for Haye other that a DQ or Vitall getting injured

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Vitali is no spring chicken though so I would add that fact into the equasion. It's unlikely that he will suddenly get old in there though, he is a smart guy and I'm positive he would retire if he thought age was catching up with him.

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I think those 4 years off did his body good. Allowed it to rest up and heal itself. Haye is getting crushed if this fight comes off

Haye by KO shoot me down but wait till September 13th;);D

Had a chat with Claude Abrams (Boxing News editor) this morning on the way to work and he told me that he's heard Haye has been picked up by a TV company who will show his fights (Sky TV maybe?) and he's def set to fight Vitali in Sept.:)