Toney could have managed to deal with Holyfield IMO taking the fight in a close-ish points win. No doubt his post fight interview would have him eating the microphone.
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Toney could have managed to deal with Holyfield IMO taking the fight in a close-ish points win. No doubt his post fight interview would have him eating the microphone.
holyfield is the ultimate cruiserweight he would wear toney down with relentless attacks and as good as toney was holyfield i think would win by stoppage in the 11th or 12th
I'm amazed that people could think that Toney could be stopped by Holyfield. Toney is one of the hardest fighters I have ever seen. He only really gets put down by being off balance and that is once every blue moon.
Toney has one of the great chins in boxing as far as I'm concerned. He has had his flaws at certain points in his career, but that chin has never really been one of them.
I don't know about him being stopped myself but he would be forced into exchanges and very likely put on his heels backing straight.Can see Holyfields hand speed and in and out volume really catching up to Toney as he tried to maintain his stance in the pocket.I really think Holyfield would take his comfort zone and force Toney and neutralize his shoulder rolls and sneaky short shots at Cruiser.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Infact Evander Holyfield is the one that has been shaken up, many times in his career. I've only ever seen James Toney hurt by the looping left hand, from Reggie Johnson that put him down. But if anyone thinks Evander Holyfield would stop James Toney, just watch the last 30 seconds of the Vassiliy Jirov fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
He takes one of the hardest/flushest, punches i've ever seen and he walks right through it, and then he puts Vassiliy Jirov on the seat of his pants. And are people forgetting not only has James Toney got one of the ATG great chins, he is one of the best defensive fighters of all time.
I can see it being a close fight. Even if Toney wins, he would definitely give rounds away due to being being forced to work more than he wants to. I just struggle to see a Toney at his best and in the zone being too fazed by Holyfield. Though, on the other side of the coin, you sometimes have the sloppy Toney who really made work hard for himself. It's a very interesting matchup and both fighters suited the weight at far different stages in their career.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliI don't know about him being stopped myself but he would be forced into exchanges and very likely put on his heels backing straight.Can see Holyfields hand speed and in and out volume really catching up to Toney as he tried to maintain his stance in the pocket.I really think Holyfield would take his comfort zone and force Toney and neutralize his shoulder rolls and sneaky short shots at Cruiser.Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
Holyfield easy, as good as Toney can be, Evander was way better, one of the greats and certainly the greatest at this weight.
Isn't greatest Cruiser ever like being the smartest retard? Sure, the greatest... but it's at Cruiser!
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Originally Posted by ICB
Great question to ponder mate, A young energetic Holyfield versus an old ring savvy veteran. If Toney was totally focused like the Jirov fight, at those stages of their careers, then I would have to go with Toney by decision.
I'm going with James by Unanimous decision in this 1. I think his defensive counter style would have given Evander a problem at anytime of their HOF careers.
Yeah cool thread, it's a lot different than posing the question of who would win at their peaks, as they were pretty much on opposite ends respectively when they were at CW... Holyfield was still somewhat raw and wouldn't have seen anything like the ring savvy of Toney, but obviously you don't run into anything resembling a young Holyfield all to often.. I think Toney would have taken it most likely, hard to elaborate I just see Holyfields tenacity and athletecism working against him for a large part as he pressed forward.
First off whichever one passes the drug test
probly Holyfield by decision workrate wins it
holyfield squeaks a tight decision for me
That is cruel, they have been clean most of their fights.Quote:
Originally Posted by Truth