Re: When Pacquiao beats Cotto
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Surely you would rather see the fight than not though?
If catchweights mean certain fights will happen then it's a good thing, no? And this is a great fight.
One year ago a fight between Cotto and Pac would have been laughed out of town - because obviously Pac would get killed. Now he's the favourite. Amazing.
Of course I will watch. How could I not?
But it would mean that bit more if it was 147 no questions asked. That for me is the real fight and if Manny topples the man then all you can do is sit back and say "fair play".
As it is, we have debates like this that shouldn't be happening. It should be a 147 fight.
Is Manny really that scared by a couple of pounds?
Maybe he is, but the important thing is Cotto wasn't scared about losing a couple of pounds, otherwise he would have refused the fight ;)
I can only hope that Cotto is not a mentalist and knows what he's doing. Like I say, if Cotto wins I will be a very happy bunny. I'm tired of Manny beating people that I like.
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I think I will be supporting Cotto but Manny Pac deserves credit for stepping up to welter legitimately.
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I think I will be supporting Cotto but Manny Pac deserves credit for stepping up to welter legitimately.
WW is 147 pounds. This fight is at 145.
There is nothing legitimate about this fight besides the legal documents these fighters signed. Fight fans know what is real.
Re: When Pacquiao beats Cotto
Pacquaio could sit back, protect his record and wait on Floyd but he's not, there's nothing really to complain about here (except for Cotto picking on little dudes ;D), just Manny in another big fight.
if he goes JMM, Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Mayweather then we should probably sacrifice one of our posters like a goat in his honor. Maybe Plopeater? 0r that guy who would go on and on and on about Calzaghe or Hatton and had that shirtless muscle pose avatar of himself. Than God he's not around anymore.
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Pacquaio could sit back, protect his record and wait on Floyd but he's not, there's nothing really to complain about here (except for Cotto picking on little dudes ;D), just Manny in another big fight.
if he goes JMM, Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Mayweather then we should probably sacrifice one of our posters like a goat in his honor. Maybe Plopeater? 0r that guy who would go on and on and on about Calzaghe or Hatton and had that shirtless muscle pose avatar of himself. Than God he's not around anymore.
That's one thing I am more interested to see; will Cotto get as much credit if he wins? Or will it be clouded by the fact he beat up a midgit?
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Pacquaio could sit back, protect his record and wait on Floyd but he's not, there's nothing really to complain about here (except for Cotto picking on little dudes ;D), just Manny in another big fight.
if he goes JMM, Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Mayweather then we should probably sacrifice one of our posters like a goat in his honor. Maybe Plopeater? 0r that guy who would go on and on and on about Calzaghe or Hatton and had that shirtless muscle pose avatar of himself. Than God he's not around anymore.
That's one thing I am more interested to see; will Cotto get as much credit if he wins? Or will it be clouded by the fact he beat up a midgit?
Cotto will get a ton of credit from the majority of people should he beat Pacquaio. It won't happen though, he's going to take a beating.
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Pacquaio could sit back, protect his record and wait on Floyd but he's not, there's nothing really to complain about here (except for Cotto picking on little dudes ;D), just Manny in another big fight.
if he goes JMM, Diaz, Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Mayweather then we should probably sacrifice one of our posters like a goat in his honor. Maybe Plopeater? 0r that guy who would go on and on and on about Calzaghe or Hatton and had that shirtless muscle pose avatar of himself. Than God he's not around anymore.
That's one thing I am more interested to see; will Cotto get as much credit if he wins? Or will it be clouded by the fact he beat up a midgit?
Cotto will get a ton of credit from the majority of people should he beat Pacquaio. It won't happen though, he's going to take a beating.
Let's put it this way.. i was at the beach the other day w/ some friends and someone brought up Pac fighting Mayweather.. Now these guys are not "fans" really, they will watch a big fight, and they will watch anything boxing that is on ESPN or anything to that extent..
While talking about the topic, my friend said, Pac would destroy Mayweather, because Pac can' tbe beat right now.
In the casual fans eye, he just beat ODLH, who is the GOD of boxing, and Ricky Hatton, who is a brawler who got beat by a smaller man, BRUTALLY.
So, YES, Cotto will get a ton of credit if he wins this fight. The thing is, i don't think the size difference will be seen until they're in the ring, and then if Cotto wins, would people say, "well he was so much bigger than him"?
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That's one thing I am more interested to see; will Cotto get as much credit if he wins? Or will it be clouded by the fact he beat up a midgit?
Cotto will get a ton of credit from the majority of people should he beat Pacquaio. It won't happen though, he's going to take a beating.
Let's put it this way.. i was at the beach the other day w/ some friends and someone brought up Pac fighting Mayweather.. Now these guys are not "fans" really, they will watch a big fight, and they will watch anything boxing that is on ESPN or anything to that extent..
While talking about the topic, my friend said, Pac would destroy Mayweather, because Pac can' tbe beat right now.
In the casual fans eye, he just beat ODLH, who is the GOD of boxing, and Ricky Hatton, who is a brawler who got beat by a smaller man, BRUTALLY.
So, YES, Cotto will get a ton of credit if he wins this fight. The thing is, i don't think the size difference will be seen until they're in the ring, and then if Cotto wins, would people say, "well he was so much bigger than him"?
Yeah I gotcha' man. I'm wondering more about the people who are more than casual fans; like the Pac Sack Fanatics. I'll give either credit for winning; hell I'll give either credit win or lose.
Come fight night, like you said, if Cotto should win than how much credit does he get from that size advantage? Who cares anyways, there will always be controversy no matter what after a big fight. I hope Cotto prepares well; Pac looking to make history that night and that little dude is serious business in between those ropes. Can't get here fast enough; Saddo's will be like an ant hill busted open after that one:woot22:
Re: When Pacquiao beats Cotto
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I think I will be supporting Cotto but Manny Pac deserves credit for stepping up to welter legitimately.
WW is 147 pounds. This fight is at 145.
There is nothing legitimate about this fight besides the legal documents these fighters signed. Fight fans know what is real.
And yet people will legitimately see this as a super fight.
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most of us already know and accept how good Pac is. he is an ATG and nobody is gonna change that win or lose.
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i gave credit to Manny for the Hatton win, i gave him FULL credit, and IF, and that's a big IF he manages to beat Cotto, unless there is some huge bullshit like a wrong decision or whatever other crap, i'll give him full credit also, stop making Manny a victim, he's far from it
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I have a feeling that whatever happens on fight night, this thread will be bumped back up for someone to gloat
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I just want to say sorry to you advid Cotto, fans he is a great champion, and I love his fighting style, but this is how I see it if you want to really simplify things
Cotto has good timing which worked well against Mosley, but Pacquiao is faster than current MOsley, and he has better timing than even Cotto. Its only natural because he is faster and has quicker reflexes along with the fact that he, Manny has been facing smaller, faster, sharper fighters all his career.
Power: Both guys can stop eachother, I have no doubt about that. But if you had to ask me who will land the cleaner punches more often, then my answer will be met in the next category.
Footspeed: the biggest determining factor of all. Hatton has much faster feet than Cotto, and surprisingly he couldn't cut the distance effectively at all, now even though Cotto has an unbelievable jab, and a really good cross, most of his damage comes from short, perfectly thrown left hook, either to hte head or to the body, and you really have to commit and get inside to land that cleanly, and I just can wrap me head around a way Cotto will be able to land on the outside effectively, let alone on the inside if Manny is using movement. I mean Mosley isn't great at using movement against anything that doesn't move like a zombie, and in the middle rounds when he started moving against cotto he really nullified Cotto's effectiveness offensively, and was able to counter big until he forced Cotto into retreat.
Now I know people can argue Mosley and possibly Judah are bigger punchers than Manny, but some guys just hurt you, and Manny is one of those guys, he lands so many punches so cleanly, that even though he might not hit quite as hard, it adds up to similar if not more damage. His speed and power combined with the fact that he throws everything into that left cross doesn't bode well for Cotto, Quintana was able to land that left hand, as was Judah, sure Cotto beat them, but thats because Quitana isn't super fast, and Judah doesn't move at all, and stops throwing punches when the going gets tough.
Re: When Pacquiao beats Cotto
Given his superb performance against Ricky Hatton and given Miguel’s not-so-superb performance against Joshua Clottey, my initial reaction is that Manny will be a solid favorite to beat Cotto—maybe within the distance. Cotto will not like the variety of weapons Manny has in his considerable arsenal, including a strong jab, right hooks to the head, left hooks to the jaw, brutal uppercuts (remember Margorito), speed, and in-and-out movement the likes of which Cotto has never before gone up against. Cotto, on the other hand, will show Manny nothing he has not seen before. In some respects, this has the makings of a Pacquiao-Hatton repeat
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I just want to add to the thread that catch-weights, In my honest opinion, have no place in boxing anymore, not with the stupid amount of weight classes available. This should be at 147
