Fedor is not fighting for his legacy, best believe that

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Originally Posted by amat

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

So Werdum, Rodgers and Oversteem are going to round out his career...

Please dont give me that shiit about Dana White, I am so fuking tired of hearing about he is a douche bag and blah, blah, blah. The guy has single handidly put MMA in the mainstream and has been more than fair with his fighters. The fact that Fedor thumbed his nose at a bizillion dollars, was going to immediately fight for a title and wear M-1 global on all his shit and prepared tea like Dr Fukin Zhivago is more than fair,

I am a HUGE Ginormous Fedor fan and would love him to put it on Brock and bring his cool quit demeanor to the UFC and run the table, but please dont give me that I wouldnt work for a douche like Dana White shiit, because money talks and bullshit walks and Dana stuffed a bull full of greenbacks and walked it over to Fedor... Its stupid to have to co promote a whole gotdam organization that sells 1.5 millon units per paperview with one fighter who never bested 300,000 units on his best day

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1.5 mil per ppv? More like one time they sold on 1.5 million pay per views ;D

If Joe Torre was asked where does Roy Halladay rank among the best pitchers in baseball and Torre said that Halladay was a bum, not a top 10 pitcher in his own division, Hiroki Kuroda is better then Roy Halladay ect. The chances are that when Halladay was a free agent he would make it a point that when the Dodgers came offering, Halladay would tell them to fuck off.

It's not that he's just an asshole, he's been on record calling this guy that he's now trying to make a whole lot of money off a bum! Dana White isn't a business man.

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No disrespect Amat but besides buying a dime what business deals have you closed in your teenage life?

Bad analogy and trust me that shiit you mentioned dosent matter.. The money, comp, glory and legacy are all in the UFC. Not in a fly by night organization like Strikeforce..

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by amat

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

So Werdum, Rodgers and Oversteem are going to round out his career...

Please dont give me that shiit about Dana White, I am so fuking tired of hearing about he is a douche bag and blah, blah, blah. The guy has single handidly put MMA in the mainstream and has been more than fair with his fighters. The fact that Fedor thumbed his nose at a bizillion dollars, was going to immediately fight for a title and wear M-1 global on all his shit and prepared tea like Dr Fukin Zhivago is more than fair,

I am a HUGE Ginormous Fedor fan and would love him to put it on Brock and bring his cool quit demeanor to the UFC and run the table, but please dont give me that I wouldnt work for a douche like Dana White shiit, because money talks and bullshit walks and Dana stuffed a bull full of greenbacks and walked it over to Fedor... Its stupid to have to co promote a whole gotdam organization that sells 1.5 millon units per paperview with one fighter who never bested 300,000 units on his best day

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1.5 mil per ppv? More like one time they sold on 1.5 million pay per views ;D

If Joe Torre was asked where does Roy Halladay rank among the best pitchers in baseball and Torre said that Halladay was a bum, not a top 10 pitcher in his own division, Hiroki Kuroda is better then Roy Halladay ect. The chances are that when Halladay was a free agent he would make it a point that when the Dodgers came offering, Halladay would tell them to fuck off.

It's not that he's just an asshole, he's been on record calling this guy that he's now trying to make a whole lot of money off a bum! Dana White isn't a business man.

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No disrespect Amat but besides buying a dime what business deals have you closed in your teenage life?

Bad analogy and trust me that shiit you mentioned dosent matter.. The money, comp, glory and legacy are all in the UFC. Not in a fly by night organization like Strikeforce..

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Very true JT Rock if all you people defending Fedor saying "Oh he said this about Fedor he shouldnt sign he isnt a business man" Keep in mind in that same article it says HE SIGNED BACK TITO ORTIZ! And we know what those guys have gone through for years and it was a hell of a lot more then Dana ever did to Fedor and yet Tito is back in the octagon, and why? Because Tito says he wants to fight the best, he says he could make a bunch of money in Strikeforce but that he wouldn't feel like he is fighting the best, he didn't wanna be a big fish in a small pond and I respect him for that. Fedor is just fine with being a big fish and a small pond and no one wants to bash him because they are Fedor followers, if ANY other fighter made a decision like that(like lets say Floyd Mayweather) everyone of you would be jumping on him saying he was avoiding fighting the best and was a fool to say no on the offer. But if Fedor does it its just fine because "Dana white is a jerk". Listen to yourselves people.

I think Fedor is missing out in all honesty.

He may be the best heavyweight in the world, he may be even the best p4p fighter in the world but it doesn't mean anything if he's not fighting on the centre stage.

Strikforce are unlikely to make him a superstar and beating Overeems won't equate to beating Brock Lesnar.

I think the average MMA doesn't really care about Fedor, he's just a name, this supposed great star, much like a boxer who spends his career in his own country and never fights in America, imagine Joe Calzaghe had he not gone to Vegas for the fights with Hopkins and Jones. Even after beating Kessler and Lacy he was still Joe Who? in the US and non UK fans couldn't care less about him as evidenced by his fights getting some of the worst viewing figures in HBO's history I believe.

Fedor could have become a household name across America and in much of the world had he joined the UFC, as it is he will likely just remain a name and a vague shadowy figure that most people have heard of but no little about.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I think Fedor is missing out in all honesty.

He may be the best heavyweight in the world, he may be even the best p4p fighter in the world but it doesn't mean anything if he's not fighting on the centre stage.

Strikforce are unlikely to make him a superstar and beating Overeems won't equate to beating Brock Lesnar.

I think the average MMA doesn't really care about Fedor, he's just a name, this supposed great star, much like a boxer who spends his career in his own country and never fights in America, imagine Joe Calzaghe had he not gone to Vegas for the fights with Hopkins and Jones. Even after beating Kessler and Lacy he was still Joe Who? in the US and non UK fans couldn't care less about him as evidenced by his fights getting some of the worst viewing figures in HBO's history I believe.

Fedor could have become a household name across America and in much of the world had he joined the UFC, as it is he will likely just remain a name and a vague shadowy figure that most people have heard of but no little about.

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IF you ask me, LEsnar is just a freak hype at the moment, he got beaten once in less than 1:30 min, won convincingly a revenge and lost against a modest Crazy Horse, I don't see much more how he's any better than Alsadair at the moment, in all honesty, he's just very hyped because of his size and the fact that he was in the WWE.
I agree tough that UFC has perhaps the best stage, at the moment, to hype him a bit and to forge him a name in North America.

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Originally Posted by amat

1.5 mil per ppv? More like one time they sold on 1.5 million pay per views ;D

If Joe Torre was asked where does Roy Halladay rank among the best pitchers in baseball and Torre said that Halladay was a bum, not a top 10 pitcher in his own division, Hiroki Kuroda is better then Roy Halladay ect. The chances are that when Halladay was a free agent he would make it a point that when the Dodgers came offering, Halladay would tell them to fuck off.

It's not that he's just an asshole, he's been on record calling this guy that he's now trying to make a whole lot of money off a bum! Dana White isn't a business man.

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No disrespect Amat but besides buying a dime what business deals have you closed in your teenage life?

Bad analogy and trust me that shiit you mentioned dosent matter.. The money, comp, glory and legacy are all in the UFC. Not in a fly by night organization like Strikeforce..

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Very true JT Rock if all you people defending Fedor saying "Oh he said this about Fedor he shouldnt sign he isnt a business man" Keep in mind in that same article it says HE SIGNED BACK TITO ORTIZ! And we know what those guys have gone through for years and it was a hell of a lot more then Dana ever did to Fedor and yet Tito is back in the octagon, and why? Because Tito says he wants to fight the best, he says he could make a bunch of money in Strikeforce but that he wouldn't feel like he is fighting the best, he didn't wanna be a big fish in a small pond and I respect him for that. Fedor is just fine with being a big fish and a small pond and no one wants to bash him because they are Fedor followers, if ANY other fighter made a decision like that(like lets say Floyd Mayweather) everyone of you would be jumping on him saying he was avoiding fighting the best and was a fool to say no on the offer. But if Fedor does it its just fine because "Dana white is a jerk". Listen to yourselves people.

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blah blah Don't bring up Tito Ortiz because Tito had no leverage with the UFC because he's not in demand by anyone else, and he certainly won't make more money fighting elsewhere. I'd prefer Fedor to be in the UFC BUT I can't blame the guy for not fighting for the UFC. Even if those aren't he didn't fight, I'm still glad. Fuck the UFC for not paying their fighters top dollar like ALL OTHER elite level star athletes including boxers. I know that's boring to some but it's true.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

No disrespect Amat but besides buying a dime what business deals have you closed in your teenage life?

Bad analogy and trust me that shiit you mentioned dosent matter.. The money, comp, glory and legacy are all in the UFC. Not in a fly by night organization like Strikeforce..

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Very true JT Rock if all you people defending Fedor saying "Oh he said this about Fedor he shouldnt sign he isnt a business man" Keep in mind in that same article it says HE SIGNED BACK TITO ORTIZ! And we know what those guys have gone through for years and it was a hell of a lot more then Dana ever did to Fedor and yet Tito is back in the octagon, and why? Because Tito says he wants to fight the best, he says he could make a bunch of money in Strikeforce but that he wouldn't feel like he is fighting the best, he didn't wanna be a big fish in a small pond and I respect him for that. Fedor is just fine with being a big fish and a small pond and no one wants to bash him because they are Fedor followers, if ANY other fighter made a decision like that(like lets say Floyd Mayweather) everyone of you would be jumping on him saying he was avoiding fighting the best and was a fool to say no on the offer. But if Fedor does it its just fine because "Dana white is a jerk". Listen to yourselves people.

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blah blah Don't bring up Tito Ortiz because Tito had no leverage with the UFC because he's not in demand by anyone else, and he certainly won't make more money fighting elsewhere. I'd prefer Fedor to be in the UFC BUT I can't blame the guy for not fighting for the UFC. Even if those aren't he didn't fight, I'm still glad. Fuck the UFC for not paying their fighters top dollar like ALL OTHER elite level star athletes including boxers. I know that's boring to some but it's true.

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Do you think any other promotion could pay Fedor more then the UFC? UFC is the company paying top dollar so if its "fuck the UFC" for them then what would that say about any other company?

Um Majesty YES, any other organization could pay more then the UFC especially it's own. UFC routinely has 1 milion dollar payrolls to split up between over 20 fighters who fight on PAY PER VIEW, um yes plenty could pay more for Fedor like Affliction did.

Since when is UFC paying top dollar? Most of their really big contracts they had to eat when they bought Pride. And you said absolutely nothing that takes away from my point, that UFC pays their fighters like shit and not like any other pro athletic league or organization. These guys make a tiny bit more then the average Major League Lacrosse player by like 5 thousand.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

I don't think anyone is really saying that Dana Whites "persona" is desirable and as a MMA fan I really wish the guy would take a more off center stage role. Guys is an asshole but I really don't think that had anything to do with Fedor's decision

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No? Perhaps like Klitchkos refusing to fight for Don King cause King is an asshole.

well they are obviously the exact same thing now aren't they :confused:

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well they are obviously the exact same thing now aren't they :confused:

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I follow you about as well as you follow me. My impression, perhaps incorrect, is that you were implying that Fedor is just motivated by cash, and not by a dislike for White. If that is what you think, then I am saying that maybe it ain't so, as I think Klitchkos are motivated by a dislike for King, and if that is true for them, then maybe it is true for Fedor.

regards.

Well if you believe Fedor he has been quoted that White's comments had nothing to do with signing/not signing. The UFC met every contract demand Fedor's management put forth except co-promotion. It may very well be more than just money but IMHO I don't think White being a media whore and asshole played a part. I doubt Fedor personally has had much if any one on one time with White.

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Well if you believe Fedor he has been quoted that White's comments had nothing to do with signing/not signing. The UFC met every contract demand Fedor's management put forth except co-promotion. It may very well be more than just money but IMHO I don't think White being a media whore and asshole played a part. I doubt Fedor personally has had much if any one on one time with White.

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And I doubt Klitchko has had much one one one time with King, but that didn't stop them from forming an opinion of the guy, and I wouldn't simply chalk that opinion up to the way the media portrayed him. One on one is not exactly the only, or even the best, way to form an opinion on someone

Anyways, I see your point. Fedor through his management rejected White's conditions. Or White rejected Fedor's, which is just the flip side of the same coin. That's the only thing we really have to go on. Whatever role Fedor's like or dislike of White plays is really just speculation on my part.

Yeah I'd think that when you are looking at millions some douchebag says but I can't find myself to get all worked up about it and for me White is an easy scapegoat.

that's one possibility I suppose

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Originally Posted by amat

Yeah I'd think that when you are looking at millions some douchebag says but I can't find myself to get all worked up about it and for me White is an easy scapegoat.

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I dont get the whole complaint about what UFC pays their fighters, what other organization compares to the UFC? There is none, all the other MMA organizations operate on a shoestring budget and lack staying power. What good is it to pay a fighter more money when the organization will more than likely become dissolved sooner than later.

UFC provides a steady and stable income/ career with a proven track record of success along with many opportunities for mainstream appeal and big time endorsements and sponsorship... UFC as a company is the bench mark, carved its niche and puts on the best production hands down.