Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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holmcall
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Majesty
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JT Rock
You mean overrated:confused:
Marciano was extremely fortunate to fight in the era he did, I cant fault him for it because he beat whomever they put in front of him but none the less extremely weak.. He had defenses against guys with horrible records.
Beat an old faded Louis, who would have cleaned him up in his prime.
Holyfield
Tyson
Ali
Holmes
Lewis
Frazier
Foreman
Norton
Jones jr
Both the Klitschkos
Would have destroyed him and I mean destroy
Jersey Joe almost beat him and he was an old old man. The jersey Joe that fought Louis would have beaten Marciano he was very very fortunate. What gets me is that people call mike Tyson overrated and say he came up in a weak division yet they say Marciano is the greatest heavyweight champ?
EErrragh!! :banghead::banghead:
Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
Would someone care to defend Marciano based on my list?
I mean really, people worship him but in essence how good was he and how would he matchup against a more skilled talent pool... I understand he had insane cardio and iron will, but he was slow and unrefined and would get crushed by most top 5 heavies dating back to the 70's.
I can even see a guy like Haye disposing of him.. How do you suppose he would fair against Dwight Muhhamed Qawi?
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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Master
Rocky came from a poor background and it is a well known fact that he was prudent with his money. He died on a private plane ride saving him buying a ticket which cost him his life. Some of his money has not been found that he stashed. That was his nature, cannot hate him for being that way.
Well, except if he did what's alleged here, that goes well beyond being prudent with his money. Bernard Hopkins is prudent with his money, however, if he did some shit that's basically theft, people would call him on it not let some nostalgic image cloud it. Ignoring Marciano's questionable legacy (it is interesting that some who claim him as the greatest HW are more than happy to claim the likes of PBF & ODLH cherry-picked), behaving like this isn't acceptable whoever you are, whether you're a world-class boxer or someone who sits on the couch all day doing fuck all. It's still being a greedy, manipulative dickhead
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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JT Rock
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holmcall
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Majesty
Jersey Joe almost beat him and he was an old old man. The jersey Joe that fought Louis would have beaten Marciano he was very very fortunate. What gets me is that people call mike Tyson overrated and say he came up in a weak division yet they say Marciano is the greatest heavyweight champ?
EErrragh!! :banghead::banghead:
Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore
LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc :banghead::banghead: aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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holmcall
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JT Rock
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holmcall
EErrragh!! :banghead::banghead:
Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore
LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc :banghead::banghead: aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.
LaStarza beat him & was robbed because one of the most ridiculous rulings in the history of the sport, although I give him credit for the 2nd win though. Savold was about as shot as a fighter could be at that point. Vingo was little more than a young prospect who had been pro only 18 months or something when he faced Marciano & was overmatched. Layne was a credible win, however, in truth none of these guys were elite fighters. It's like claiming Tyson as the greatest & then using Pinklon Thomas & Carl Williams as evidence of his solid opposition
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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Rocky Marciano was and is the greatest Heavyweight Champion ever.
He was lucky to have missed Liston by a few years, he would have been Knocked out inside 2 rounds by the bear!
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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holmcall
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JT Rock
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holmcall
EErrragh!! :banghead::banghead:
Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore
LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc :banghead::banghead: aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.
No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..
I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him;D
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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JT Rock
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holmcall
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JT Rock
Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore
LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc :banghead::banghead: aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.
No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..
I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him;D
:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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THE THIRD MAN
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Slowmotion426
Rocky Marciano was and is the greatest Heavyweight Champion ever.
He was lucky to have missed Liston by a few years, he would have been Knocked out inside 2 rounds by the bear!
Rocky must have been very tempted to get 50 wins but his age and poor back was the reason he did not try one more. The closest he came was when Johansson KO ed Patterson, but even then he knew he was too old. Leave the great legacy and man alone.
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
The fact is Rocky Marciano fought everyone, he needed to fight and avoided no one. You can't blame Rocky Marciano for the era not being like the 70's, he beat every man infront of him and thats all counts to me. Plus to the people saying Rocky Marciano isn't skilled.
Well doesn't that mean he done brilliantly well, then for not being skilled ? 49-0 and being one of the top 10 Heavyweights of all time for not being skilled ? just makes Rocky Marciano look that much better.
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
I'm not going by 2nd hand accounts about Marciano's character being sleazy like that. One thing for sure is that the man had tremendous heart and beat everyone that he faced. And for a guy supposedly having no skills that's one hell of an achievement to go undefeated in your career.
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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Master
Rocky came from a poor background and it is a well known fact that he was prudent with his money. He died on a private plane ride saving him buying a ticket which cost him his life. Some of his money has not been found that he stashed. That was his nature, cannot hate him for being that way.
Yeah but once again this isn't being a grinch, this is stealing/cheating.
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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Slowmotion426
Rocky Marciano was and is the greatest Heavyweight Champion ever.
I doubt it. Just because he retired undefeated doesn't mean he was the greatest. Calzaghe retired unbeaten but there are many other lightheavy's who probably would have beaten him. Moore and Bob Foster come to mind.
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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JT Rock
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holmcall
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JT Rock
Cmon, Marciano couldnt box a lick.. Again he beat everyone in front of him, but there was nothing except an old Walcott, Louis and Moore
LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc :banghead::banghead: aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.
No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..
I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him;D
If you don't retract, I will forward your posts to Brockton, MA and then :foruml10gc5: :fighting0043gi5: :foruml10gc5: :fighting0043gi5: ;D
Re: Rocky Marciano: a schiester?
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holmcall
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JT Rock
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holmcall
LaStarza, Savold, Vingo, Layne, etc :banghead::banghead: aargh. Today, he would be fighting as a light heavy or cruiser and that's where the copmarisons should be made based on relativity, IMO. Otherwise, we engage in generational prejudice. He beat all 49 who were put in front oof him. Surley, that does not warrant the degree of hostility of some of the posts.
No hostility, Marciano was overrated and a product of a weak era..
I named 8 heavyweight Champs past and present, excluding Liston who would have dismembered him that were better and would have moudered him;D
If you don't retract, I will forward your posts to Brockton, MA and then :foruml10gc5: :fighting0043gi5: :foruml10gc5: :fighting0043gi5: ;D
Not really interested in that crap dude.. The facts are the facts. Out of that list name me one guy that Marciano could have beaten..
Even a 40 year old version of Foreman would have caved his face in
Like Lucifer the great said, his undefeated streak dosent impress me, because the opposition was extremely weak, if a champion defended against a guy with 40 losses you guys would be calling for his head.
Rocky isint even the best fighter to come out of Brockton.. Marvin Hagler has that distinction
