BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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08-20-2009, 01:03 PM
JT Rock

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

Im ignoring conventional wisdom here and going with Williams.. He has the frame to carry 170 and I doubt it hurts his output. If anything he might be stronger with his punches.

I dont like it because if Paul will have to making a living at 160 and above

Plus hop will offer a 5%-95% purse to williams anyway ;D
08-20-2009, 04:23 PM
bzkfn

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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Originally Posted by terrorsid

Future hall of famer Bernard Hopkins told Boxingtalk.com, "First of all, I think it's unfortunate and this is the second time that Pavlik has canceled a fight over the hand injury. Somebody had to know something before they officially cut it off. You work so hard to do a fight. You know all about that with negotiations and you get that done to where you're at the point of announcing a fight in NYC and you pull out. This isn't the first time this happened, but it seems odd that this happened and Paul Williams is out of a major fight for this year. I have an interest in promoting good fights and making good fights, so I'm working on both ends and I have a solution to come up with that could change the sadness into happiness. Either way I win, because I feel like I accomplished making the Pavlik-Williams fight happen and if Paul Williams wants to fight at 170 like he told you so many times, I'm here and ready. I'm four or five months away from being 45

Is it just me or has B-Hop's reasoning for not fighting Chad Dawson just turned into bullshit here? He said he didn't want to destroy another young American fighter, so why fight Williams and not Dawson?
08-20-2009, 04:33 PM
YIDDLE

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

hopkins is so clever ,williams is still learning his trade at top level so hopkins beats him. then 5 yrs down the line williams is a top star and A-level box-office future hall of famer ,so hopkins legacy looks better and better very smart:cool:
08-20-2009, 06:01 PM
markb018

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by terrorsid

Future hall of famer Bernard Hopkins told Boxingtalk.com, "First of all, I think it's unfortunate and this is the second time that Pavlik has canceled a fight over the hand injury. Somebody had to know something before they officially cut it off. You work so hard to do a fight. You know all about that with negotiations and you get that done to where you're at the point of announcing a fight in NYC and you pull out. This isn't the first time this happened, but it seems odd that this happened and Paul Williams is out of a major fight for this year. I have an interest in promoting good fights and making good fights, so I'm working on both ends and I have a solution to come up with that could change the sadness into happiness. Either way I win, because I feel like I accomplished making the Pavlik-Williams fight happen and if Paul Williams wants to fight at 170 like he told you so many times, I'm here and ready. I'm four or five months away from being 45

Is it just me or has B-Hop's reasoning for not fighting Chad Dawson just turned into bullshit here? He said he didn't want to destroy another young American fighter, so why fight Williams and not Dawson?

I would be more impressed with a win over Williams than Dawson, especially judging by their last fights. Williams with a great win over Winky where as Chad put in a very average, boring performance against Tarver
08-20-2009, 06:30 PM
TheMacMagician

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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Originally Posted by markb018

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by terrorsid

Future hall of famer Bernard Hopkins told Boxingtalk.com, "First of all, I think it's unfortunate and this is the second time that Pavlik has canceled a fight over the hand injury. Somebody had to know something before they officially cut it off. You work so hard to do a fight. You know all about that with negotiations and you get that done to where you're at the point of announcing a fight in NYC and you pull out. This isn't the first time this happened, but it seems odd that this happened and Paul Williams is out of a major fight for this year. I have an interest in promoting good fights and making good fights, so I'm working on both ends and I have a solution to come up with that could change the sadness into happiness. Either way I win, because I feel like I accomplished making the Pavlik-Williams fight happen and if Paul Williams wants to fight at 170 like he told you so many times, I'm here and ready. I'm four or five months away from being 45

Is it just me or has B-Hop's reasoning for not fighting Chad Dawson just turned into bullshit here? He said he didn't want to destroy another young American fighter, so why fight Williams and not Dawson?

I would be more impressed with a win over Williams than Dawson, especially judging by their last fights. Williams with a great win over Winky where as Chad put in a very average, boring performance against Tarver

I think Williams is excellent but surely a win over Dawson does more for Hopkins. In success terms Williams is still a welterweight who stepped up and beat a Winky Wright who hadn't fought in two years. Its a shame that you couldn't just pop old Hopkins in a deep freeze for a couple of years and let Williams fill out a little more into a solid 160 fighter then just have him and Hopkins duke it out....
08-20-2009, 07:03 PM
Spicoli

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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Originally Posted by markb018

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

Is it just me or has B-Hop's reasoning for not fighting Chad Dawson just turned into bullshit here? He said he didn't want to destroy another young American fighter, so why fight Williams and not Dawson?

I would be more impressed with a win over Williams than Dawson, especially judging by their last fights. Williams with a great win over Winky where as Chad put in a very average, boring performance against Tarver

I think Williams is excellent but surely a win over Dawson does more for Hopkins. In success terms Williams is still a welterweight who stepped up and beat a Winky Wright who hadn't fought in two years. Its a shame that you couldn't just pop old Hopkins in a deep freeze for a couple of years and let Williams fill out a little more into a solid 160 fighter then just have him and Hopkins duke it out....

I think Williams is ready to roll at Middleweight.Frame and range alone for me.Do think Hopkins would be on the heavier side when ever they fought.I think this is Hopkins politicing,opening doors and options and should Dawson take care of Johnson he'll have no problem with making a fight with Dawson.Whatever happens,I think Hopkins gets slighted should he face Williams just as he has with all of those "jr middleweights" he faced ;D
08-20-2009, 08:50 PM
levi#1BoxingFan

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I really doubt this will happen. i would rather see bhop retire off a win.

what the heck makes you so sure Hopkins would lose? His style would totally frustrate Williams, Hopkins by descion!
08-20-2009, 09:23 PM
kingfrnk

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

I really doubt this will happen. i would rather see bhop retire off a win.

what the heck makes you so sure Hopkins would lose? His style would totally frustrate Williams, Hopkins by descion!

did i say bhop would lose? no. i would rather see him retire off a win against Pavlik cause he has nothing else to prove you tool.
08-21-2009, 12:55 PM
bzkfn

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

I really doubt this will happen. i would rather see bhop retire off a win.

what the heck makes you so sure Hopkins would lose? His style would totally frustrate Williams, Hopkins by descion!

did i say bhop would lose? no. i would rather see him retire off a win against Pavlik cause he has nothing else to prove you tool.

I kinda disagree yeno. I think if Hopkins was to fight on and beat Adamek at Cruiser, he could cement a higher place as one of the greatest of all time just for taking another divisional title. After seeing him beat Pavlik, I'd just love him to prove the critics wrong one more time. I'll never doubt his ability to win again.
08-21-2009, 01:16 PM
Chris Nagel

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

Sounds like typical tongue-in-cheek from Bernard. It's a dangerous fight both guys, with the consequences for losing outweighing the rewards for winning. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing this fight happen. ;D
08-21-2009, 01:35 PM
HattonTheHammer

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

hopkins all day long

PW was fighting at 147 not 15 months back, moving up to 170 is a whole different world and every punch hop threw would be like a hammer
08-21-2009, 01:46 PM
kingfrnk

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

what the heck makes you so sure Hopkins would lose? His style would totally frustrate Williams, Hopkins by descion!

did i say bhop would lose? no. i would rather see him retire off a win against Pavlik cause he has nothing else to prove you tool.

I kinda disagree yeno. I think if Hopkins was to fight on and beat Adamek at Cruiser, he could cement a higher place as one of the greatest of all time just for taking another divisional title. After seeing him beat Pavlik, I'd just love him to prove the critics wrong one more time. I'll never doubt his ability to win again.

but it doesnt look like hes fighting Adamek. i still think he should retire hes damn near 45 and age does catch up to you at some point no matter who you are.
08-21-2009, 03:13 PM
GAME

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

Paul is a welter. Does Hop really want him top move up 4 divisions to fight him.
08-21-2009, 03:54 PM
bzkfn

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

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Originally Posted by bzkfn

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

did i say bhop would lose? no. i would rather see him retire off a win against Pavlik cause he has nothing else to prove you tool.

I kinda disagree yeno. I think if Hopkins was to fight on and beat Adamek at Cruiser, he could cement a higher place as one of the greatest of all time just for taking another divisional title. After seeing him beat Pavlik, I'd just love him to prove the critics wrong one more time. I'll never doubt his ability to win again.

but it doesnt look like hes fighting Adamek. i still think he should retire hes damn near 45 and age does catch up to you at some point no matter who you are.

I've heard negotiations are back on. I just think his reluctancy to announce his retirement since the Pavlik win means he knows there is one more performance in him. I think if he beat Adamek, he could finally be satisfied. He has nothing to prove to us, I just think he likes to prove it to himself.
08-22-2009, 12:58 AM
levi#1BoxingFan

Re: BHOP offers to fight Paul Williams

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

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Originally Posted by kingfrnk

I really doubt this will happen. i would rather see bhop retire off a win.

what the heck makes you so sure Hopkins would lose? His style would totally frustrate Williams, Hopkins by descion!

did i say bhop would lose? no. i would rather see him retire off a win against Pavlik cause he has nothing else to prove you tool.

Read what you wrote Nimrod "I would rather see him retire off a win", well that means your implying that williams wins the fight.:rolleyes:

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