Al Bernstein On Boxing: Sorry To Disagree, But...

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Originally Posted by Kel

"Boxings future DEPENDS on the internet"

100% agree and if it was not for Saddo's I'd still be sat in the pub talking to people who know fuck all about boxing.

Teddy is scared of technology or someshit, either that or he ain't took the time to find the 'real' boxing related sites.

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Yea totally agree mate. I've been into boxing since i was a young boy, and throughout most of that time have had nobody to discuss it with as my friends are either into football or no sports at all. I tried for years to convert them to this amazing sport but with only limited success. They would take an interest for the big fights, but little else. Couldn't blame them really, i mean they had no real way to access it. I'd tell them about a great fighter or a great fight, they might say 'oh wow,that sounds good', but i had nothing to back it up for, save for my blurry collection of VHS. Now, within seconds, i can be showing them Castillo-Corrales or Ward-Gatti. I defy anybody who watches something like that and not become a fan. Now almost all my friends have some level of interest, and one is now a big fan. I can't describe the joy of having my friend call me up to discuss things such as whether Kevin Mitchell can win a title, or that Khan has joined Roach, or calling up frantic when Mayweather - Marquez was postponed. For somebody who either had to watch boxing on his own or with half-interested friends this is a real joy. The internet takes the sport we love to new people, and allows people to stay in touch with the latest happenings. It keeps the knowledgable fan in the know, and with an endless supply of fights, new and old, and is the most powerful way of generating new fans.

I gotta agree with FightFan. I love Tedy, but he's still stuck in the 1980s. Boxing's future viability depends on the internet. I think Tedy should have seperated the boxing news element from the keyboard warrior mentality of some of the analysts/board posters.

It's weird. I reckon everyone on here has at times read 'reports' from some backyardwannabehicksville writer.com and groaned when someone here has posted a link to it and tried to legitimise their ramble for/against fighter A. Now I'm not being down on anyone who wants to embark on a writing career but they are 10 a penny and I can imagine the frustration of those in the trade inundated with interview requests.

Perhaps Teddy should take a look at the boxing forums and experience the good, the bad and the downright ugly and then take a look at the regular press.

The internet because of it's immediacy has broken any number of stories before it every hits mainstream. In fact very little boxing EVER makes the TV news and only occasionally in the papers and when they do it tends to to be one or two boxers. No coverage of the lesser known fighters plying their trade week in week out. The internet allows this. It encourages (mostly) honest debate precisely because we don't have to worry about pissing off a boxer/trainer/manager/promoter/network/and being refused access to them.

both men got a point.

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Originally Posted by jokaleras

both men got a point.

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you got your 100 posts now. Well done. Now you can start writing posts of more than 5 words.;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

Well after reading about it I can see were Teddy is coming from. How would you like it if you have trained champions and someone from god knows where on the internet and half your age tells you how to train fighter's. Teddy is old school he really doesn't know much about the internet he is used to that close group circle of sportswriter's that came to him before and after his fight's and asked him and his fighter's questions. Just imagine talking with say Howard Cossell, Gil Clancy, Don Dunphy, Larry Merchant and then BAM you have fucking Max Kellerman critiquqing your training abilities and fighter's accomplishments. Someone who really just gets into the game by naming names like Slapsie Maxie Roosenbloom etc without ever really studying the fight films and studying fighter's.

Another reason I can understand Teddy's frustration is simply the reason of the lifestyle he has had to live and then having some yuppie punk driving around a Beamer from their mommy and daddy's money telling him what is wrong with the sport of boxing and never been in an actual boxing match or street fight in their life. These people have no idea what it's like to come up from poverty through the ranking's and just for these asshole web writer's to call them a bum when they lose a big fight when they themselves would never dare to lace em' up and get in the ring.

Maybe I am getting off track a bit here but I notice alot of boxing bloggers , web writer's and so on to just put fighter's down without ever really getting a feel of going to one of these fight's and sitting there in press row asking the fighter's questions about the upcoming bout or post fight interviews. They can all simply write what they want, whenever they want and put down whoever without ever meeting face to face with any of the fighter's or trainer's on their websites.

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Next time you're calling David Haye a "pussy" or "coward" I hope you think of what you wrote here. ;)

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There is a difference in when I call Haye a pussy. He has to actually fight before I stop calling him a pussy or a coward.

I will also add I have never driven a Beamer I work 40 hrs week have my own house (not from mommy and daddy) I've actually sparred with Tim Witherpoon an ex heavyweight champion and last week with Chazz Witherspoon for his fight last Saturday in which he won by TKO in 2. I have also fought in the ring a couple of fight's. I am not saying I am entitled to talk shit about Haye but when a man can do nothing but sling shit and call the heavyweight division a joke and fight absolutely nobody. You have to be able to look at him and say What have you done besides bow out of a heavyweight championship fight twice and lie to your fans by bitching about a back injury.

Teddy's just mad that he can never break the top 30 in our prediction contest. :box3:

I found Atlas and his wry comments pretty funny. "Bloody Nose Boxing" is my second favorite site. ;D

I think Bernstein is a good man for sticking up for us. Still, I have often made a mooncalf out of myself on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Lots of people in the boxing business, like Teddy, (Where's TM gone?)

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I heard he's still trying to explain "the jab" to Kid Thunder. :teacher:

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Originally Posted by Diane

Teddy is an idiot, and needs to get with the times.

If it wasn't for the internet, I wouldn't know most of what is going on in boxing. The network he works for, sure as $hit doesn't give it enough coverage.

I can honestly say that I have learned a lot from some writers, and even from some members here. How is that a bad thing.

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Maybe he does need to get with the times a little but i think the point he is making is that an article like this...

Put your money on Juan Manuel Marquez

Is complete garbage and that it does not represent the a true, popular or well thought fact or opinion.

Its just words without restriction.

I can see why someone like Teddy would hate such a thing. It is all we have but at the same time it sucks a little bit. Right?





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What Missy Said ;)

Internet for boxing is a must. Boxing's not even my favorite sport but its the one I use the internet for the most by far, I don't post on forums for other sports much if ever because I know tons of people that follow them, I can just talk to them about it, I don't have anybody to talk to about boxing, to say that some of my friends are casual fans is really a stretch, they know who Roy Jones is, ODLH, etc. I would never bother to try to talk them into seeing say Bernard Hopkins, zzzz.

Plus I come from a boxing wasteland, its not like if you were born in California or even England. Vegas is a long way away. So is Atlantic City, New York, etc.

That's not to say we don't have some baffling people on this board or the boxing internets at large.

Does being the hometown and base of operations for Deontay Wilder make my area not a boxing wasteland? Probably not. But its better than before when our claim to fame was a guy who got blitzed by Audley in 1.

It's cool when you get an area boxer who everyone kind of knows. Most sports fans in the Bay Area know Andre Ward imo. The sampling there is the people who come to the Applebees bar and start talking sports, I always bring up Ward to see if they follow boxing. Most know him as the guy from the Olympics and that he had a fight in Oakland. The Miranda fight got pretty big publicity over here. It's cool.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

Well after reading about it I can see were Teddy is coming from. How would you like it if you have trained champions and someone from god knows where on the internet and half your age tells you how to train fighter's. Teddy is old school he really doesn't know much about the internet he is used to that close group circle of sportswriter's that came to him before and after his fight's and asked him and his fighter's questions. Just imagine talking with say Howard Cossell, Gil Clancy, Don Dunphy, Larry Merchant and then BAM you have fucking Max Kellerman critiquqing your training abilities and fighter's accomplishments. Someone who really just gets into the game by naming names like Slapsie Maxie Roosenbloom etc without ever really studying the fight films and studying fighter's.

Another reason I can understand Teddy's frustration is simply the reason of the lifestyle he has had to live and then having some yuppie punk driving around a Beamer from their mommy and daddy's money telling him what is wrong with the sport of boxing and never been in an actual boxing match or street fight in their life. These people have no idea what it's like to come up from poverty through the ranking's and just for these asshole web writer's to call them a bum when they lose a big fight when they themselves would never dare to lace em' up and get in the ring.

Maybe I am getting off track a bit here but I notice alot of boxing bloggers , web writer's and so on to just put fighter's down without ever really getting a feel of going to one of these fight's and sitting there in press row asking the fighter's questions about the upcoming bout or post fight interviews. They can all simply write what they want, whenever they want and put down whoever without ever meeting face to face with any of the fighter's or trainer's on their websites.

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Next time you're calling David Haye a "pussy" or "coward" I hope you think of what you wrote here. ;)

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There is a difference in when I call Haye a pussy. He has to actually fight before I stop calling him a pussy or a coward.

I will also add I have never driven a Beamer I work 40 hrs week have my own house (not from mommy and daddy) I've actually sparred with Tim Witherpoon an ex heavyweight champion and last week with Chazz Witherspoon for his fight last Saturday in which he won by TKO in 2. I have also fought in the ring a couple of fight's. I am not saying I am entitled to talk shit about Haye but when a man can do nothing but sling shit and call the heavyweight division a joke and fight absolutely nobody. You have to be able to look at him and say What have you done besides bow out of a heavyweight championship fight twice and lie to your fans by bitching about a back injury.

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Hmm.. what you're saying is a bit inconsistent/hypocritical.

Haye comes from a council estate in south-east London (light-years from any sliver spoon treatment), has been boxing since he was nine, won a world amateur silver medal and became the undisputed world cruiserweight champion.

Surely a man with the lower level ring experience you've had respects that?

He has a big mouth. It's part of selling a fight. You must understand that too, right?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

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Originally Posted by Fenster

Next time you're calling David Haye a "pussy" or "coward" I hope you think of what you wrote here. ;)

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There is a difference in when I call Haye a pussy. He has to actually fight before I stop calling him a pussy or a coward.

I will also add I have never driven a Beamer I work 40 hrs week have my own house (not from mommy and daddy) I've actually sparred with Tim Witherpoon an ex heavyweight champion and last week with Chazz Witherspoon for his fight last Saturday in which he won by TKO in 2. I have also fought in the ring a couple of fight's. I am not saying I am entitled to talk shit about Haye but when a man can do nothing but sling shit and call the heavyweight division a joke and fight absolutely nobody. You have to be able to look at him and say What have you done besides bow out of a heavyweight championship fight twice and lie to your fans by bitching about a back injury.

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Hmm.. what you're saying is a bit inconsistent/hypocritical.

Haye comes from a council estate in south-east London (light-years from any sliver spoon treatment), has been boxing since he was nine, won a world amateur silver medal and became the undisputed world cruiserweight champion.

Surely a man with the lower level ring experience you've had respects that?

He has a big mouth. It's part of selling a fight. You must understand that too, right?

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Hey my man this started simply as a Bernstein disagreement but like many Haye phanatics do. You have flipped this discussion upside down inside out and made it about Haye. I simply don't like Haye for what he did. I haven't knocked him for his talent I simply do not like him as a person or of him calling out the Klitschko's and then tuck tail run and hide. Then say it was a back injury oh wait it was about him not getting paid enough. That's kids stuff. I hated Tyson but at least when he called his man out he had the balls to fight them.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

There is a difference in when I call Haye a pussy. He has to actually fight before I stop calling him a pussy or a coward.

I will also add I have never driven a Beamer I work 40 hrs week have my own house (not from mommy and daddy) I've actually sparred with Tim Witherpoon an ex heavyweight champion and last week with Chazz Witherspoon for his fight last Saturday in which he won by TKO in 2. I have also fought in the ring a couple of fight's. I am not saying I am entitled to talk shit about Haye but when a man can do nothing but sling shit and call the heavyweight division a joke and fight absolutely nobody. You have to be able to look at him and say What have you done besides bow out of a heavyweight championship fight twice and lie to your fans by bitching about a back injury.

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Hmm.. what you're saying is a bit inconsistent/hypocritical.

Haye comes from a council estate in south-east London (light-years from any sliver spoon treatment), has been boxing since he was nine, won a world amateur silver medal and became the undisputed world cruiserweight champion.

Surely a man with the lower level ring experience you've had respects that?

He has a big mouth. It's part of selling a fight. You must understand that too, right?

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Hey my man this started simply as a Bernstein disagreement but like many Haye phanatics do. You have flipped this discussion upside down inside out and made it about Haye. I simply don't like Haye for what he did. I haven't knocked him for his talent I simply do not like him as a person or of him calling out the Klitschko's and then tuck tail run and hide. Then say it was a back injury oh wait it was about him not getting paid enough. That's kids stuff. I hated Tyson but at least when he called his man out he had the balls to fight them.

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Phanatics? :-\.. hold up you mean fanatic? That had me stumped for a second ;D

I don't care whether you like Haye or not. Your original post is a little hypocritical considering what you have written about him. You can't accuse people of unjustly slagging fighters off when you are guilty of the same, thats all.

No big deal. ;)