Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
Maybe.
Not that I see that by Mexican you mean Mexican. ;D
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
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Violent Demise
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purtyboy
To the people saying no, im curious to know why? Very few if any boxers have accomplish what mayweather has
Cuz Marquez is a great fighter himself. Him beating anybody shouldn't be a shock.
OK, but the thread question wasn't "Would this be the most shocking win ever by a Mexican fighter?"
You guys are right that beating Gomez was a bigger win for Sanchez than Nelson, that was a brainfart on my end. But I would argue that Mayweather is clearly a better fighter than Gomez.
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
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purtyboy
I would say YES... beating an undefeated 39-0 6 different weight division champ who has beaten legends. Rated p4p 1 by most even though he has not fought in almost 2 years. Then beating him when you are coming up in weight and a huge underdog. After being on a national televised series.. I would say hell yeah.. huge accomplishment for any race lol
ummm Mayweather only has titles in 5 divisions not 6
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
No,not for me.He may have every disadvantage on paper but it would propose that Mayweather is a frigging demi-god.All of the trinkets aside,Marquez is not just a Mexican fighter,he's an all time great and an equal ring general!
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
No, Not Mexico's but Marquez's biggest win.
If Marquez went on after beating Mayweather and turned around and beat Pacquiao with a "massive Mexican following" and Pacquiao beat Cotto Then It might be Mexico's biggest win.
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purtyboy
I would say YES... beating an undefeated 39-0 6 different weight division champ who has beaten legends. Rated p4p 1 by most even though he has not fought in almost 2 years. Then beating him when you are coming up in weight and a huge underdog. After being on a national televised series.. I would say hell yeah.. huge accomplishment for any race lol
ummm Mayweather only has titles in 5 divisions not 6
Yeah we all make typos... 6 belts in 5 different divisions i got that confused... that is still 4 more divisions then gomez, and 5 MORE belts.
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
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BoxingGorilla
No. Not in my eyes.
I think fights like (see below) are both more meaningful. I'm not a Mexican or even a Mexican-American, but it's just how I see it.
De La Hoya TKO11 Vargas
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De La Hoya TKO4 Chavez
I'm sorry, but I don't see the De La Hoya / Vargas fight defining anything considering Vargas is now known to have been overrated seeing as how his defining losses came by way of real competition (Trinidad, Moseley and yes, even Mayorga). Just because Vargas lost out on backing up his "De La Hoya is not a real Mexican" commentary doesn't mean it defined anything for Mexicans or Mexican Americans.
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SweetPea
Lots of great Mexican fighters over the years. Sanchez, Chavez, Lopez, Morales, Barrera, etc.
But has any Mexican fighter ever beaten a fighter of Mayweather's caliber? I say no. Chavez failed in his chance against Whitaker. Sanchez beat Azumah Nelson, but at a time when Nelson was very young and unknown. Morales beat Pacquiao, but at a time when Pacquiao wasn't considered an all-time great like he is now.
So, would it be the biggest win ever by a Mexican fighter?
Discuss.
First & foremost…let’s address the obvious…this is going to be one of those questions/posts that could go either way & back & forth…just like my bwoy CuteMick!
That being said in wacko’s humble opinion, & putting favorites aside, the logical answer is Julio Cesar Chavez. Hands down he’s got to be in an all timer’s list but hands down he’s for sure on top of Mexico's best fighters of all time. When you start asking me about favorites period…the list get’s a little shakey & even more questionable.
Personally…my favorites list starts with Juan Manuel Marquez just on his finesse, persona, & abilities. I’ve long been a supporter of Erik Moralles…but dropping him offa the page Marquez is top dog for me. Truly I consider him the greatest Mexican boxer of the decade…maybe the last two…but that’s just me. Many others name & call out Marco Antonio Barrera…& I can see that…maybe even side with it…but at the end of the day it’s Marquez for me.
Now…as for my favorite fighter of all time…that’s Hopkins & Mayweather…anyone who remembers all my insistent ramblings knows that.
That being said…I love the fact that Mayweather’s back…but I’d also love to see the guard get shaken to it's core.
It'd be nice to see it pan out like this : Marquez beats Mayweather by TKO, Cotto beats Pacquiao by KO, immeidiate Marquez/Mayweather rematch in which Mayweather wins, Marquez then wrestles Pacquiao to another insane draw close to Pac's favor, Mayweather defeats Cotto, Mosley rolls in to war with Pacquiao & wins, Cotto then faces Marquez & loses in a fire fight, Mayweather then faces & defeats Paul Williams, Mayweather & Mosley swing to a draw, & then Floyd retires…for good. The door's then wide open for Shane to come in & take Floyd's mantle by handling all the names above.
That’s what I want.
Aint askin for much…am I?
What can I say?
The Super Six Round Robin’s got me hopeful.
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Wacko3205
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SweetPea
Lots of great Mexican fighters over the years. Sanchez, Chavez, Lopez, Morales, Barrera, etc.
But has any Mexican fighter ever beaten a fighter of Mayweather's caliber? I say no. Chavez failed in his chance against Whitaker. Sanchez beat Azumah Nelson, but at a time when Nelson was very young and unknown. Morales beat Pacquiao, but at a time when Pacquiao wasn't considered an all-time great like he is now.
So, would it be the biggest win ever by a Mexican fighter?
Discuss.
First & foremost…let’s address the obvious…this is going to be one of those questions/posts that could go either way & back & forth…just like my bwoy CuteMick!
That being said in wacko’s humble opinion, & putting favorites aside, the logical answer is Julio Cesar Chavez. Hands down he’s got to be in an all timer’s list but hands down he’s for sure on top of Mexico's best fighters of all time. When you start asking me about favorites period…the list get’s a little shakey & even more questionable.
Personally…my favorites list starts with Juan Manuel Marquez just on his finesse, persona, & abilities. I’ve long been a supporter of Erik Moralles…but dropping him offa the page Marquez is top dog for me. Truly I consider him the greatest Mexican boxer of the decade…maybe the last two…but that’s just me. Many others name & call out Marco Antonio Barrera…& I can see that…maybe even side with it…but at the end of the day it’s Marquez for me.
Now…as for my favorite fighter of all time…that’s Hopkins & Mayweather…anyone who remembers all my insistent ramblings knows that.
That being said…I love the fact that Mayweather’s back…but I’d also love to see the guard get shaken to it's core.
It'd be nice to see it pan out like this : Marquez beats Mayweather by TKO, Cotto beats Pacquiao by KO, immeidiate Marquez/Mayweather rematch in which Mayweather wins, Marquez then wrestles Pacquiao to another insane draw close to Pac's favor, Mayweather defeats Cotto, Mosley rolls in to war with Pacquiao & wins, Cotto then faces Marquez & loses in a fire fight, Mayweather then faces & defeats Paul Williams, Mayweather & Mosley swing to a draw, & then Floyd retires…for good. The door's then wide open for Shane to come in & take Floyd's mantle by handling all the names above.
That’s what I want.
Aint askin for much…am I?
What can I say?
The Super Six Round Robin’s got me hopeful.
Ok this thread is now over, it has just turned into "Wacko is alive" thread ;D
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snakey
Ok this thread is now over, it has just turned into "Wacko is alive" thread ;D
Heh heh heh.
Indeed...Wacko is still suckin' air.
Good to be back...I'll be in & out as often as possible, my bwoyo's.
Glad to see that everyone is still here...& there.
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Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
now if we could just get Trainer Monkey back :peeker:
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
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OumaFan
now if we could just get Trainer Monkey back :peeker:
;D
Two legends from completely different sides of the spectrum.
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
I think it would be, I think it would be a greater accomplishment than Chavez win over Taylor or Sanchez win over Gomez. Not because Marquez isn't amazing, I consider only Sanchez better & him roughly level with JCC & Lopez, but because as opposition, Mayweather is better than any of the best wins of the others.
Re: If Marquez wins, is it the biggest victory ever by a Mexican fighter?
:crowd: Ci senoir, he will be the savior and patron :saint: saint of Mexican boxing .
