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the p4p rankings are a joke now, people keep thinking it's some title, and it has lost all it's meaning, it's pure crap, Pacquiao should be considered the current best and i have Mayweather as the best fighter of his generation, simple as thatQuote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Here's a good write-up by Doug Fischer from The Ring webiste.
RING Ratings Update: Does Mayweather deserve his RING rankings?
I happen to agree with him of course. ;D
He will be P4P#1 in November once Cotto has beat Pacquiao;)
Who else saw this from the main forum menu
http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/l...mgrertired.jpg
and was also expecting the sentence to be finished with...Retired. :p
I of course being a fan of Floyd have no problem with his PFP#2 ranking
As far as Williams goes I feel he should have been ranked alot higher PFP than he was, IMO he is top 4 so the fact he got pushed out all together is bullshit
I agree that Cotto shouldnt have been pushed out of place and that he has fought more quality Welterweights so if they inserted Floyd in at 5 maybe that would have been fair since he dosent hold a title.
I will say its obvious that Mayweather and Mosely is already been set in motion and its quite obvious by these ratings and grandstanding by Hop and Mosely post fight so unfortunately its done at Cotto's expense, Miguel seems like a guy who dosent get wrapped up in this stuff anyway, he will just handle his business as usual and do what he does best... Fight!!! If his feelings are hurt I'm sure he can drown his sorrows in the millions he is making vs Pac ;D
Question, does Miguel capture PFP#1 status if he beats Pac?
Well Ali's greatest attribute was his natural speed advantage. So does that mean he shouldn't make anyone's p4p ATG lists either? I don't get that double standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You can't hold someone down because they have are naturally, physically blessed. Would Tyson have been as good without his natural speed and power?
BTW how does Celestino Caballero make the top 10? Sure he dominated Molitor, but how does that put him over guys like Chris John?
And IMO Wlad deserves to be in there more than Rafael Marquez, who I think has lost 2 of his last 3 fights. Wlad has been ruling his division for years.
Don't be silly, natural speed and natural size are completely different. You can be any size and still possess great speed but only a select few have a natural size advantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanflickerWell Ali's greatest attribute was his natural speed advantage. So does that mean he shouldn't make anyone's p4p ATG lists either? I don't get that double standard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
You can't hold someone down because they have are naturally, physically blessed. Would Tyson have been as good without his natural speed and power?
Wlad has a natural height, reach and weight advantage over just about everyone he's ever fought.
But getting KTFO by Corries Sanders and Lamont Brewster should preclude anybody from any list past or present ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Nah imo he would get the second spot while floyd gets bump up like how he got the title in the firsts place by bhop losing to jt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Mayweather would still have to beat MoselyQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainNah imo he would get the second spot while floyd gets bump up like how he got the title in the firsts place by bhop losing to jt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
I dont think so, Cotto has a win over Mosley already and a win over pac imo just puts him on the second spot(the highest his ever ranked) because floyd would reclaim the title with any lose pac suffers.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT RockMayweather would still have to beat MoselyQuote:
Originally Posted by Julius RainNah imo he would get the second spot while floyd gets bump up like how he got the title in the firsts place by bhop losing to jt.Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock
Keep in mind p4p ranking is determined by many things, floyd and pac are clearly talented with their respected styles but another thing that seperates them two from the rest is the fact that they are multiply time champs in 5 and 6 different division. P4p wise i think that counts the most, how many division you've been champion at.
Be any size and still possess great speed? I think you're being silly man, how many big HWs do you know with great speed? I don't see how they are different, both are god given, genetic commodities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fenster
The point I'm trying to make is that a great fighter isn't just one or the other, he's a combination of superior athletic ability and superior talent (the best example being Floyd Mayweather).
To the people who say "oh, Wlad is only good because he's big", I pose the question if thats all it takes then why doesn't every 6'5'' + guy come into boxing and make millions. Why did I see Ty Fields, who is taller than both Klits brothers, get KO'd brutally by a journeyman a year or so ago.
People need to stop hatin on the Klitz and admit that they are where they are because of talent, and the knowledge of how to use their size to their advantage, the same way a Muhammad Ali would use his speed to his advantage.
I doubt it. They did even have him on the P4P ratings and he still considered himself number one.Quote:
Originally Posted by fan johnny