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When Pacquiao uses a catchweight to weaken a fighter's chances I understand the criticism but I don't see anything wrong with capitalizing on any flaws you see in the IBO and Ring Magazine Junior Welterweight Champion who is undefeated at 140. So because you discover that he is succeptible to hooks while coming in you duck him and get more credit?
Duck mayweather ?!! Of course not. He'll fight him, and thanks to floyd himself giving us another 24/7 many will pay beliving PAC has a chance. Floyd will beat him like everyone else they both will cash their checks and we'll move on to the next " supposed " to be floyd beater. He'll it changes every week, margo ,cotto, whoever doesn't matter really. The only reason floyd came back was to make easy money beating these random guys fans pick as thier hero. Beating up on these small guys was just to easy to pass up.
If Pacquiao demands 50% or more than he would clearly be ducking Mayweather.
If anybody were to duck anyone I would expect it to be Floyd doing the ducking, but if it meant "ducking" Pacquiao to fight Mosely then I would be more than happy. If it is to fight anybody else then Mayweather confirms all my worst suspicions and that he is indeed a hyena.
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Agree. I guess Pacquiao will never duck anyone.. or not just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
Whats wrong with what VD said?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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His dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWhats wrong with what VD said?Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Obviously the title is to get attention.
As stated in the original post, I think Arum (not Pacquiao personally) will want to avoid Mayweather in the event that Pacquiao wins.
I can kind of see him giving up Cotto, in the event he gets past Pacquiao, because Cotto is somewhat of a regional draw, bigger (as big as) than Mayweather, and isn't going to be ranked p4p #1 even if he does beat Pacquiao.
But I can't see Arum giving up Pacquiao to Mayweather. No matter how you slice it, Pacquiao will be outgunned (on paper), and Mayweather will be the odds on favorite for many boxing analysts even if the bookies don't agree.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but Pacquiao currently draws more than Cotto, and the fact that he'd be a smaller man going up against a bigger/more skilled opponent in Mayweather has to at least give Arum second thoughts about that potential fight.
I just have a feeling Arum is going to avoid this. I have a feeling he won't make mention of Mayweather any time soon and will price Pacquiao out so badly that any negotiations, if any, break down in their early stages.
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Originally Posted by eagleWhats wrong with what VD said?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Violent Demise
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Well I thought you know some boxing negotiations, I was wrong.
In case Pac demolishes Cotto in the early rounds as predicted by Roach, Team PAcquaio will definitely ask for 50% or more. That's definitely not ducking. It's called negotiating and leveraging.
VD is dumb in terms of real boxing negotiations and all he has is his idiotic one liners.
SAd thing is, you impliedly agreed with him immediately. That makes the two of you "dumb and dumber combination".:-X:-X:-X
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHis dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWhats wrong with what VD said?Quote:
Originally Posted by brucelee
Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.
Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.
And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?
Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?
Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.
Well when u look at it PBF is the bigger draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseHis dumb ass actually thinks it should be 80%-20% in favor of Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagle
Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.
Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.
And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?
Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?
Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.
Mayweather v ODLH did more ppv than Pac v DLH
Mayweather v Hatton did more PPV than Pac v Hatton
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Mayweather v JMM did 3 times the ppv of Pac v JMM
So asking for 50% would be as much as Pac could hope for, and anymore would be ridiculous.
Now as for the comments about DLH, please show me all these posts where i said Pac would be murdered, or any that i have written that made excuses for him. I may have done but i dont believe so. I actuall like Pac and support him quite often, its his fans who know so little about anything other than Pac i cannot stand. U are far from the worst.
If you can find the numerous so called posts where i said Pac would get murderd by Oscar, or the posts where is consistently made excuses for him i will admit im wrong like a man. But if u cant i expect an apology, and an admission u lied.
As for Pac ducking anyone, i believe he fought the easiest title holder well i dont think he has u are right. The thing is the majority of his opponents have already been beaten by Floyd so u cant really say PBF has ducked anyone either.
First, I don't think Pac is getting by Cotto. So, this post is very premature. Second, when has Pac ducked anyone? How many future HOF's has he fought? Third, I personally don't believe Pac belongs at 147. I see him as a 135-140 fighter so I don't believe it would be ducking if he didn't fight Mayweather. Fourth, it's not like Pac would be the favorite going into the fight, he would be a big underdog.
I look forward to betting rabid Pacquiao fans if the fight comes off. ;)
I used to give Pacquiao all the credit in the world for what he did to OScar, but after seeing MAyweather-Marquez the truth is pretty clear... Oscar wasn't Oscar. He came in a pound lighter than Pacquiao which adding on his height and the fact he weight drained, means that Manny beat an older, slower, weaker man than himself. Mayweather fought Oscar at his best weight at the time, and Oscar looked way faster against Floyd, way more hungry against Floyd, and had way better durability when he faced Floyd. That being said I take nothing away from what Pacquiao did against Hatton, that was incredible. I don't think it was a style mishap on Hatton's part, but the fact that Manny was way too good for him, and looked a lot better than FLoyd did against RIcky. I think Manny extra power really allows him to emphasize the difference in skill levels a lot more than Floyd, even if Floyd is better than him. Roy Jones Jr got away with so much not only because he was inhumanly fast, but also because he had the power to make opponents respect him. Floyd has respectable power and incredible speed, but not the kind of power that hurts bigger men.
Either way Mayweather agreed to 30-70 split with Oscar because he was the bigger draw. Even if Pacquiao-Cotto makes more money than Mayweather-Marquez its largely because Cotto is a way more marketable fighter than Marquez. If it doesn't make more than Mayweather-Marquez then there is no way in hell that PAcquiao or Cotto deserves 50% of the money against Floyd.
I guess you should read well my post. I was referring to VD who said that DLH would murder Pac. No apology needed from me then.Quote:
Originally Posted by eagleWell when u look at it PBF is the bigger draw.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruceleeQuote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Yeah and you're the all knowing VD who, more often than not, is making wrong predictions on big fights.
Both Pacquaio and Mayweather are at the top of the game and both of them deserved respect and should be given 50% of the purse.
And you call it ducking when it should be called FAIRNESS.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Who's the dumb ass?
Edit: Let me ask your dumb ass then, has Pacquaio ducked anyone?
Btw, you're also the one who predicted that Pac will be surely murdered by DLH (and anyone who disagrees with you is also dumb) and when it did not happen you licked your bloody wounded pride by making excuses.
Mayweather v ODLH did more ppv than Pac v DLH
Mayweather v Hatton did more PPV than Pac v Hatton
and
Mayweather v JMM did 3 times the ppv of Pac v JMM
So asking for 50% would be as much as Pac could hope for, and anymore would be ridiculous.
Now as for the comments about DLH, please show me all these posts where i said Pac would be murdered, or any that i have written that made excuses for him. I may have done but i dont believe so. I actuall like Pac and support him quite often, its his fans who know so little about anything other than Pac i cannot stand. U are far from the worst.
If you can find the numerous so called posts where i said Pac would get murderd by Oscar, or the posts where is consistently made excuses for him i will admit im wrong like a man. But if u cant i expect an apology, and an admission u lied.
As for Pac ducking anyone, i believe he fought the easiest title holder well i dont think he has u are right. The thing is the majority of his opponents have already been beaten by Floyd so u cant really say PBF has ducked anyone either.
I usually don't like it when people are accusing fighters of ducking anyone when they are still in the process of negotiation. The fact that they are negotiating means that they want to fight each other. They just want their fight to be as profitable as possible. PAcquaio deserves some respect especially in the sharing coz he deserves it. Asking for 50% is definitely not ducking. So you ask what's wrong with what VD said. I've explained it to you loud and clear.