What Fight Would Have Changed History The Most, If It Went The Other Way?

I would have said Clay and Liston. If Liston beat him what would become of Clay. Would he have become Ali ? Would have fought Frazier? What the hell would havew happenend.

If Joe Louis wasn't knocked out by Schmeling the first time he would have been the greatest fighter to have ever laced up gloves.

I say World War 2...

What about Hopkins-De la Hoya, RJJ or Titio? Oscar wins and he and Hopkins switch places on the all-time great list. Suddenly all those middleweight defenses vs. nobodies look worse if the 1st time he steps up and fights a great fighter he loses. Tito is an all time great if he knocks out Bernard. Jones Jr. doesn't look as shiney with a real lose on his record early in the game as well.

Cassius Clay vs Henry Cooper.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

I would have said Clay and Liston. If Liston beat him what would become of Clay. Would he have become Ali ? Would have fought Frazier? What the hell would havew happenend.

If Joe Louis wasn't knocked out by Schmeling the first time he would have been the greatest fighter to have ever laced up gloves.

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Good call

Had defending champion Ledwaba stopped a replacement fighter in the then unkown Manny Pacquiao... Barrera, Morales, Dela Hoya, and Hatton will would have had surely, better longevity to their careers, to say the least.

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Had defending champion Ledwaba stopped a replacement fighter in the then unkown Manny Pacquiao... Barrera, Morales, Dela Hoya, and Hatton will would have had surely, better longevity to their careers, to say the least.

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Just couldn't help yourself could you?? :rolleyes:

Well, at least the one beneficial impact of that is we wouldn't have tiresome posters such as yourself constantly looking to bring up their idol at any opportunity.

I'd say Ali-Frazier III was the one to pop to mind, especially as it was so close to going the other way. Ali-Foreman is another one, as that was the fight that really defined greatness.

Going with something different though, I'll side with Duran-Leonard II. Had Leonard not won, had there been no 'No Mas', we would have never had SRL-Hearns & I think it would have completely destroyed the subsequent fights of The Four Kings. Duran would have probably got KO'd by Hearns any way, but I reckon Hearns would box Hagler to a decision, similar to much of the fight with Leonard & there would not be the same mysticism around them. Similar to how there now isn't about Wilfred Benitez, who at the time many were saying was the successor to Sugar Ray Robinson.

Probably Ali/Liston, because at the time (from what I understand) Ali was looked at as a lot of talk, people didn't like him so if he lost to Liston it would have taken him a looong time to work his way back up. He probably wouldn't have become a huge name before the war, and assuming he still dodged the draft, probably would have never become a big name.

The other one that comes to mind is Louis/Schmelling 2. I guess if Max whipped Joe again, it would have been a huge blow to boxing and morale in the US.

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Had defending champion Ledwaba stopped a replacement fighter in the then unkown Manny Pacquiao... Barrera, Morales, Dela Hoya, and Hatton will would have had surely, better longevity to their careers, to say the least.

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What is wrong with the statement I just made, Mr. Jazmerkin?

Did it not speak the truth? Did it not have relevance to the thread? And, did it not address a strong opinion positively supporting the argument by the thread starter, that a single fight can and possibly has, a huge impact in the course of boxing history?

Unless you want to "supress" honest opinions, statements with anything to do with Pacquiao, or anything that will remotely resemble any uncomplimentary remark towards Hatton, I see no wrong with the statement I had just expressed.

And to mind, it was short, non-coated at that, reason being for fear of a backlash from people like you! The days for honesty here is definitely numbered.

Last time I checked... democracy is still the order of the day here at Saddo. Or has it been changed the by mere strength and wisdom of your thoughts, MR. JazMerkin?

Has it now changed.....?

Well if it had, congratulations! Within your simple mind, you've accomplished in your own perspective, "the" better world.

The only snag is... it is significantly a much smaller world, your version... but at least without the disagreeables. It will be a world full of the "yes'ems" that you long for!

I agree with
Jeffries v Jack Johnson
Louis v Schmeling II

Marciano v Jersey Joe Walcott
Ali v Frasier I (considered even more greater?)
Hearns v SRL
Hearns v Hagler

Jim Jeffries vs Jack Johnson
and
Joe Louis vs Max Schmelling II

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Originally Posted by Master

I agree with
Jeffries v Jack Johnson
Louis v Schmeling II

Marciano v Jersey Joe Walcott
Ali v Frasier I (considered even more greater?)
Hearns v SRL
Hearns v Hagler

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Can you stop and just think of the aftermath had either went the other way?Propaganda overflow for idiots

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

What is wrong with the statement I just made, Mr. Jazmerkin?

Did it not speak the truth? Did it not have relevance to the thread? And, did it not address a strong opinion positively supporting the argument by the thread starter, that a single fight can and possibly has, a huge impact in the course of boxing history?

Unless you want to "supress" honest opinions, statements with anything to do with Pacquiao, or anything that will remotely resemble any uncomplimentary remark towards Hatton, I see no wrong with the statement I had just expressed.

And to mind, it was short, non-coated at that, reason being for fear of a backlash from people like you! The days for honesty here is definitely numbered.

Last time I checked... democracy is still the order of the day here at Saddo. Or has it been changed the by mere strength and wisdom of your thoughts, MR. JazMerkin?

Has it now changed.....?

Well if it had, congratulations! Within your simple mind, you've accomplished in your own perspective, "the" better world.

The only snag is... it is significantly a much smaller world, your version... but at least without the disagreeables. It will be a world full of the "yes'ems" that you long for!

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You're right, I didn't realize how oppressed you are, you're the Mandela for the 21st century :rolleyes:

Ok, first of all I couldn't give a flying fuck what people say about Hatton, I'm not a fan, although I was at his fight with Pacquiao as a BOXING fan. You see the difference there, I'm a fan of the sport not of one fighter.

The question was which fight changed HISTORY the most. Not which fight could have led to less morons with zero interest in the sport on here telling us we know nothing, & that boxing was nothing prior to the emergence of Manny Pacquiao as a star.

He has yet to have anywhere near the impact on the sport or its history of a Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali or Ray Leonard. Hell, he has yet to have the impact of a Tyson or a De La Hoya. My favourite fighter is Floyd Mayweather, but you don't see me going 'if Genaro Hernandez had managed to beat a green, young former Olympian whose father once fought Ray Leonard, than the lives of Corrales, Chavez, Castillo, De La Hoya, Hatton & Marquez would be that bit simpler to say the least'. You know why I didn't do that? Because I would be a pompous fool, trying to just lick my fighter's balls that bit more, when in actuality it is of not great enough significance to answer the thread question.

You want to know why people get pissed off about you mentioning Pacquiao?? Because he is the only boxer you mention. Why do you think no one gets annoyed if OumaFan or C-Lo mentions Pacquiao? Because they don't do it all the time & frequently discuss other fighters.

I don't care if people discuss Pacquiao as long as they don't look to do it every opportunity they get, & then act like they are some oppressed minority when they get called on it. I hate Pac-fanboys, Hatton fanboys, Tszyu fanboys & Trinidad fanboys. I don't care who the fighter is, but any fan who wants to sit on a particular fighter's cock is of no use to this site.

Oh, & this isn't a democracy, it's a boxing forum. You can't say whatever you like, because as demonstrated by a number of former members, you will get the boot. This is an Autocracy & Saddo is the man in charge, he decides what goes.

Btw, your pretentious writing style just makes you seem more like Alan Partridge than Ernest Hemingway.

Now, feel free to call the human rights lawyers on me :cool:

I'd have to say...

Jack Johnson vs. Jim Jeffries
Joe Louis vs. Max Schmeling 2
Muhammad Ali vs. Henry Cooper 1
Marco Antonio Barrera vs. Naseem Hamed

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

What is wrong with the statement I just made, Mr. Jazmerkin?

Did it not speak the truth? Did it not have relevance to the thread? And, did it not address a strong opinion positively supporting the argument by the thread starter, that a single fight can and possibly has, a huge impact in the course of boxing history?

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Originally Posted by KananKrus

Unless you want to "supress" honest opinions, statements with anything to do with Pacquiao, or anything that will remotely resemble any uncomplimentary remark towards Hatton, I see no wrong with the statement I had just expressed.

And to mind, it was short, non-coated at that, reason being for fear of a backlash from people like you! The days for honesty here is definitely numbered.

Last time I checked... democracy is still the order of the day here at Saddo. Or has it been changed the by mere strength and wisdom of your thoughts, MR. JazMerkin?

Has it now changed.....?

Well if it had, congratulations! Within your simple mind, you've accomplished in your own perspective, "the" better world.

The only snag is... it is significantly a much smaller world, your version... but at least without the disagreeables. It will be a world full of the "yes'ems" that you long for!

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no cause basically most on that list were already coming to the end of their careers anyway, so if it wasn't Pacquiao it would of been someone else