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Could be right and I guess we'll know soon enough but both Jermaine and Abraham are natural middleweights anyway. Abraham will have more energy in this fight than he has in his last few but as I say time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle
....everyone thought extra weight would help Pavlik too and he looked about as good at 168 as Ricky Hatton did at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
Cant wait
The only chance is that Abraham fights at a pace slow enough that Taylor doesn't wear out again. I don't think the move up in weight will be a problem for Abraham, he was killing himself to make 160 and was due to move up anyway. He looked OK at 166 against Miranda. I think Abraham wins, even if Taylor manages to last the pace and does well I don't think he can outbox Abraham enough to win a decision in Germany.
That is true about Pavlik against Hopkins but he beat Taylor in the rematch at 166Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyle....everyone thought extra weight would help Pavlik too and he looked about as good at 168 as Ricky Hatton did at 147Quote:
Originally Posted by GAME
But that fight was A LOT closer than the 1st match and I wouldn't be shocked if Taylor beat Pavlik if they were ever to fight againQuote:
Originally Posted by stebs
I can see him winning a 'fans verdict' but not the one that counts. Agree with most that he isnt done though. I still think he has some big wins in him.
Is this true? I read that AA was struggling with coming down to 160, which is why he is moving up to 168...(if i'm reading you correctly). Not sure JT would be that comfortable at 175 either--he's a good puncher, but not his power would translate enough to compete; although, I'd love to see him fight Dawson at a catch weight somewhere in the middle, (provided he fixes his stamina issues).Quote:
Originally Posted by JT Rock+Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
Quite glad you found this thread Mr. Kickass, nice to hear some insight from Abraham's backyard.. There will be a few exchanges since Taylor likes to respond when clipped, just not sure who will benefit more. I know AA was struggling to make 160 and Taylor could easily fight at 175.. The size difference is definetly apparent
in my opinion he has this much chance = 0
Lets not forget Taylor dropped Froch HARD and buzzed him more than once........Froch didnt pop right up from that knockdown.....He took a knee as long as he could.....Taylor has power and fast hands...He catches Arthur with a shot he dont see and Arthur will go down.........
Abraham is one tough nut and will give Jermaine a good going over.
I would love Jermain to win, and I think if he fights a perfect fight he can pull it off but the closer it gets the less I like his chances. A few weeks ago I would have said Taylor had a great chance, but maybe realisitically not so much.
I actually have the feeling Abraham is somewhat overated and will underperform in this tournament so Taylor will have a chance, but I think in Germany, in front of his own fans Abraham will be too much.
We all generally feel that Taylor needs to ko Abraham to win or at least put him down but really Abraham has never once displayed a weak jaw, (even when it almost fell off) and Taylor despite flooring both Pavlik and Froch is not a big puncher really, certainly his career doesn't indicate that.
The irony is that Taylor's best performances have been when he's lost. The first Pavlik fight and the Froch loss are the performances that most of us base his chances on.
but the truth is his 'wins' are actually less impressive. The guy who plodded cluelesslly around the ring against Cory Spinks, who almost lost and was beaten up against Winky Wright, who couldn't finish a junior middleweighti in Ouma who has since lost his last half dozen or so fights etc is hardly a guy you'd think would have any shot at winning this.
The truth is the Jeff Lacy fight is the only fight in the last 5 years or so where Taylor actually won without controversy.
His wins over Hopkins and Spinks are still disputed to this day, most feel he was very lucky indeed to get a draw with Winky, and his performance over Ouma was mediocre at best.
His other fights since then he's lost them all.
A betting man would be unswise to think he could string 6 wins together against such tough opposition now,certainly, his past form has done nothing to merit it.
He's a bit like Audley (although much better) in that we will always say he has the tools, but realisitically he's not going to use them to win.
Abraham for me actually represents his best chance, if he loses this he is not only done in the tournament but I think he will be pulled out and Green brought in.
I am rooting for him, but I won't be expecting.
I keep thinking back to the Abraham Vs. Miranda fight. The image of that broken jaw and how Abraham fought through it. Rugged.
Then I recall Taylor slumped in his corner after the first Pavlik fight.
I'm going with Arthur.
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Originally Posted by Bilbo
Sometimes I think we have a psychic link.
I was favoring Arthur, but the more I watch fight highlights and look at the competition each has faced, and the fact that Taylor is said to have trained more for this fight than any other, the more I lean toward Taylor.
Taylor by TKO 7.
Constant pressure beats Taylor, and Abraham, whom I feel is overrated, simply does not provide enough of it.
I think Taylor beats him. As long as he learns his lesson about burning out early on!