Anyone else think Pavlik is ruined?

The fact that Pavlik to my knowledge, hasnt done any interviews or said very much about his problems seems to have escalated the situation in the eyes of boxing fans. The silence is deafening and appears to me that his situation is looking pretty dire.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I disagree, had Pavlik KO'd Hopkins he would have earned a great deal of respect.

Pavlik just fights in a bully style, he has slow hands, he rarely moves his head (but he has decent defense which makes up for that), his punches aren't sharp they are the Foreman-esque thudding power shots and some guys find that a lot easier to prepare for, for some odd reason.

I think Kelly has some bigger issues than boxing is all and I think he's feeling sorry for himself for losing to Hopkins that bad. Lots of fighters have battled drugs and alcohol outside the ring, Kelly isn't the first and he won't be the last...he just needs to chill out from boxing for a while and heal up mentally, physically, psychologically....he could return as a better fighter or he could just be happier away from the sport

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pavlik may of gained respect for beatin hopkins but everyone would of said that hopkins was over the hill (regardless of fight with JC) I think the idea was to prove he was better than calzaghe & it went horribly wrong.

Pavlik hasn't fought so how can anyone know anything. Ruined from what being pitter patted by a guy who lost twice to a guy who's being ko'd by anyone that even looks at him ?? Let the guy fight first. People are shittin on a guy not willing to fight with a staff infection on his hand while Hopkins is healthy and ain't fought since. Maybe he should be labeled ruined or something. Besides no 1 contender. What a joke

To early to tell, if he can't get his shit together:alcoholic: then yes
I thought Taylors reign was bad
The Ghost has really disappeared:vd:

I think that Pavlik's situation is not what it seems at the moment because it is a conjecture of many things:

1) a bad injury with a treatment that almost killed him.

2) a few dubious antics outside the ring.

3) a loopsided defeat against Hopkins.


What peoples tend to say now is that after his defeat to Hopkins, Pavlik is spiraling down, started to drink, fighting outside the ring and that he'll never recover from the injury. To me, these are 3 separated things; The injury and treatment he has that almost killed him have nothing to do with his defeat to Hopkins. His antics outside the ring possibly neither, maybe te guy was drinking here and here before the defeat and it's only because we've heard about it now that peoples are making these assumptions.
It is clearly too soon to say anything about that and we'll only have a definitive answer when Pavlik will have fought at least 2 more times against meaningful opponents.

Pavliks going to have a hard time getting that momentum back
The middles don't have any stars
If he could get Sturm in the ring & pound him he'd gain back a measure of respect
Winky might be the biggest fight out there for him
Unless he steps up & fights the winner of Bute-Andrade

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Originally Posted by Mar

Pavlik hasn't fought so how can anyone know anything. Ruined from what being pitter patted by a guy who lost twice to a guy who's being ko'd by anyone that even looks at him ?? Let the guy fight first. People are shittin on a guy not willing to fight with a staff infection on his hand while Hopkins is healthy and ain't fought since. Maybe he should be labeled ruined or something. Besides no 1 contender. What a joke

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i agree with everything you said except the pitter patted thing, Hopkins landed hard solid shots on Pavlik all night, nothing to ruin a fighter but he didn't do a Calzaghe and slap his opponent all night long