Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

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10-27-2009, 11:51 PM
Lance Uppercut

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

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Originally Posted by ICB

I am by no means a fan of John Ruiz, but it seems to me he's always constantly getting flack mainly for his ugly style. Which is fine but if you actually look at his record he's got quite a good resume, and was only stopped once by David Tua where he was caught cold.

As i said in another thread, he gets no credit for his 1st two fights with Evander Holyfield. This was the same Evander Holyfield who just fought Lennox Lewis, and Lennox Lewis gets all the credit in the world for the Evander Holyfield fights.

Yet John Ruiz gets no credit, why is that ? i mean he beat Evander Holyfield in the 1st fight and was robbed. And in the rematch Evander Holyfield fought a better fight, yet John Ruiz still come on and dropped Evander Holyfield heavily, and had him all over the place. And he won the last round to beat a good version of Evander Holyfield.

Plus he has some decent wins over Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Andre Golota, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Jimmy Thunder, Kirk Johnson.

Plus quite a few of his decision losses should of gone his way, he is an ugly fighter and obviously not fan friendly. But i do think he deserves a bit more credit than he gets given.

Ruiz unilaterally makes every fight he is in unwatchable. PLus his victories are tainted by his heavy use of holding, which is cheating and should not be allowed.
10-28-2009, 03:45 AM
Cleon

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

Ruiz needs to get a PR rep
Do some time
Get some tats
Change that nickname

Most importantly knock some mother f**ker out impressively
10-28-2009, 06:43 AM
Mattyhitman

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

Quite simply NO !
10-31-2009, 05:32 PM
holmcall

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

Yes. Say what you will, but he survives. Say what you will, but he got hosed against the Beast. Say what you will, but he is a rugged load for any opponent. He doen's give up and I like that quality. But then again, he is from Chelsea, MA. and anyone from there learns to survive.
10-31-2009, 05:42 PM
Kev

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

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Originally Posted by Lance Uppercut

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Originally Posted by ICB

I am by no means a fan of John Ruiz, but it seems to me he's always constantly getting flack mainly for his ugly style. Which is fine but if you actually look at his record he's got quite a good resume, and was only stopped once by David Tua where he was caught cold.

As i said in another thread, he gets no credit for his 1st two fights with Evander Holyfield. This was the same Evander Holyfield who just fought Lennox Lewis, and Lennox Lewis gets all the credit in the world for the Evander Holyfield fights.

Yet John Ruiz gets no credit, why is that ? i mean he beat Evander Holyfield in the 1st fight and was robbed. And in the rematch Evander Holyfield fought a better fight, yet John Ruiz still come on and dropped Evander Holyfield heavily, and had him all over the place. And he won the last round to beat a good version of Evander Holyfield.

Plus he has some decent wins over Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Andre Golota, Fres Oquendo, Jameel McCline, Jimmy Thunder, Kirk Johnson.

Plus quite a few of his decision losses should of gone his way, he is an ugly fighter and obviously not fan friendly. But i do think he deserves a bit more credit than he gets given.

Ruiz unilaterally makes every fight he is in unwatchable. PLus his victories are tainted by his heavy use of holding, which is cheating and should not be allowed.

To be honest I've only seen a handful of Ruiz fights but his reputation as dull and boring is a bit undeserved imo.

His rematch with Valuev he really had a good go and was entertaining. His fight with James Toney was entertaining too.

He's no more boring to me than watching the likes of Alexander Povetkin, Eddie Chambers and Calvin Brock.
10-31-2009, 05:51 PM
amat

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

So Bilbo you name 2 John Ruiz fights from the past couple years and that's your reasoning? The Toney fight was mildly entertaining because he HAD to change his style against Toney or he would have been battered more then he was.

You are on crack if you prefer Ruiz to Chambers and Povetkin. That is such a stupid statement. Like the stupidest statement of all time, really. Ruiz is the ugliest fighter ever to make it in boxing, he's got shot after shot because of his manipulation of sanctioning bodies and threats of lawsuits, Bullshit, Ruiz is one fighter I'd wished never taken up boxing.
10-31-2009, 05:55 PM
Kev

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

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Originally Posted by amat

So Bilbo you name 2 John Ruiz fights from the past couple years and that's your reasoning? The Toney fight was mildly entertaining because he HAD to change his style against Toney or he would have been battered more then he was.

You are on crack if you prefer Ruiz to Chambers and Povetkin. That is such a stupid statement. Like the stupidest statement of all time, really. Ruiz is the ugliest fighter ever to make it in boxing, he's got shot after shot because of his manipulation of sanctioning bodies and threats of lawsuits, Bullshit, Ruiz is one fighter I'd wished never taken up boxing.

Reason enough for me to become a fan right there.
11-01-2009, 10:40 AM
El Kabong

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

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Originally Posted by Cleon

Ruiz needs to get a PR rep
Do some time
Get some tats
Change that nickname

Most importantly knock some mother f**ker out impressively

Do you guys even know where that nickname is from?

John Ruiz is dreadful to watch, he's a limited fighter, his style works for him (usually) but recently he has gotten dodgey decisions: Holyfield, Golota, Rahman, McCline...and he simply has never fought or even tried to fight the best in the division.

Ruiz isn't even a top 10 heavyweight right now
11-02-2009, 12:55 AM
johnsebastianmiran

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

Ruiz the boring man is no less fun to watch than Ernie Terrell before Ali beat him unmercifully. Sonny Liston once said he never got hugged by his wife and mother like Ernie Terrell and to top it off It was the only time early in Muhammad Ali's career that he had to fight a unification match and he didn't allow him to hug him. The ones that let Ruiz get in close didn't solve the puzzle properly and Ruiz went on a hugging. I think that if he fought Evander when Evander was Evander, he would have been forced to learn how to fight or quit.
11-02-2009, 09:36 AM
Cleon

Re: Does John Ruiz Get Unfairly Treated ?

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Cleon

Ruiz needs to get a PR rep
Do some time
Get some tats
Change that nickname

Most importantly knock some mother f**ker out impressively

Do you guys even know where that nickname is from?

John Ruiz is dreadful to watch, he's a limited fighter, his style works for him (usually) but recently he has gotten dodgey decisions: Holyfield, Golota, Rahman, McCline...and he simply has never fought or even tried to fight the best in the division.

Ruiz isn't even a top 10 heavyweight right now

Inform me, I heard something a long while ago & it was about Ruiz so I didn't really care:p
Point is its not really up there as far as monikers go-Iron Mike-Smoking Joe
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