Haye did what he had to do to win the fight.FACT!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kel

You gotta laugh at all these bitches who were HOPING Haye was gonna trade and get knocked out or run out of stamina and get stopped late on.

Haye did what he had to do, there is no easy way to fight a guy that massive, he rocked him near the end and made him miss by FEET at times, was hardly FOTY but I was on the edge of my seat.

The size difference once in the ring was much bigger than I thought.

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.....yes but if David Haye is going to promise KO's and action and then fight the way he did all I can say is...

PAUL MALINAGGI CALLED.....HE WANTS HIS ACT BACK

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So those shots he were throwing were to score points? He tried for a KO like he always does and he nearly got one.

Do you have some pre-written "Told you Haye was garbage" threads you will have to save for another fight? ;D

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Originally Posted by Lyle

If Wlad can catch Chris Byrd and put him down a number of times then I fail to see how Haye is going to escape that fight without getting KO'd. Wlad has also dealt with runners before...believe you me he's going to get his points and win any fight where Haye thinks he can take the easy way out by running.

I'm not nervous about Haye, I'm just really fucking tired having heard his bullshit for a full year only to have him on his bicycle all night long vs a guy who is not a power puncher and was there for the taking all night long but Haye just couldn't be bothered to throw any punches. It's bad form for a guy to talk so much and then provide that kind of performance. Haye put forth a disgraceful effort vs Valuev, there is no way in hell he can compete with Wlad or Vitali....his mouth can only get him so far in this division.

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Well so far it has got him the WBA title. By the way thats the title that Jack Dempsey, Max Baer, James Braddock, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, Evander Holyfield, Riddick Bowe, Michael Moorer, Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones Jr just to mention a few have held.

Neither Klit has a belt with that history and no matter what you say about the current state of the organisation, you can't take away it's history. And when Haye KO's Wlad he'll add some of the lesser title's historically i suppose. ;)

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Originally Posted by Kel

So those shots he were throwing were to score points? He tried for a KO like he always does and he nearly got one.

Do you have some pre-written "Told you Haye was garbage" threads you will have to save for another fight? ;D

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I don't get where you're coming from....so you're just saying Haye's power isn't carrying up that well??

It's amazing how you Brits can hype up someone who had such a pathetic performance.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Kel

So those shots he were throwing were to score points? He tried for a KO like he always does and he nearly got one.

Do you have some pre-written "Told you Haye was garbage" threads you will have to save for another fight? ;D

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I don't get where you're coming from....so you're just saying Haye's power isn't carrying up that well??

It's amazing how you Brits can hype up someone who had such a pathetic performance.

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I can't wait for him to beat old glass jaw Wlad. I'll never ever let you forget it!

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I can't wait for him to beat old glass jaw Wlad. I'll never ever let you forget it!

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....whatever you say lefty

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

I can't wait for him to beat old glass jaw Wlad. I'll never ever let you forget it!

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....whatever you say lefty

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Speaking of lefty where is he? I thought he'd be back on here today of all days.

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Speaking of lefty where is he? I thought he'd be back on here today of all days.

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He got banned for acting too much like his hero

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Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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I can't wait for him to beat old glass jaw Wlad. I'll never ever let you forget it!

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....whatever you say lefty

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Speaking of lefty where is he? I thought he'd be back on here today of all days.

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I reckon he's chillin with the homies, smellin the bud, Double parked and talkin to Dub about who got a plan, who got a plot, who got got, and who got shot :-\

Haye could of done alot more.

Haye's workrate was awful especially in the middle rounds, he could of won the fight alot more clearly had he just threw more punches per round, it's not like Valuev would make him miss.

Haye edged it imo but to say he did what he had to do to win is bullshit.

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

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I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

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I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

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Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

I think the big question is, "Does Haye continue to fight like this?"....let's be honest, the guy loves throwing 1 punch at a time (much like another overhyped Brit)...Valuev connected on him a couple of times, what happens if that's Wlad Klitschko in there and the ring is getting cut off and the punches are coming faster, harder, and straighter??? Haye is going to get KO'd that's what's going to happen and it's going to be a marvelous to watch that punk get the beatin his dad never gave him

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by BIG H

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

I thought the fight was awful, I felt both fighters were awful.

Valuev was unlucky to lose imo, Haye landed maybe 4 punches in the entire fight and ran more than Andre Dirrell against Carl Froch.

He really pissed me off with his post fight speech about how he made Valuev look like an amatuer and how great he was.

He should have been apologising to the fans for such a dull fight and as for making Valuev look amateur, no you didn't Valuev himself makes Valuev look amateur, you just looked like a twat, scared to engage and do anything.

He won't be doing anything in this division imo. Valuev is an AWFUL world champion.

If Haye can't engage with Valuev how the hell is he going to engage with the Klitschko's? He's just going to get jabbed to death.

Not impressed at all. He got a decision against the most awful world champ in recent memory.

John Ruiz and Evander Holyfield both beat Valuev better and more convincingly than Haye did but neither is good for the heavyweight division so they didn't get the decision.

Haye won because he's marketable FACT.

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I'm no Haye fan, but he deserved to win imo. Valuev is awful, but he was a foot taller and seven stones heavier and some of the people that don't acknowledge that a s afactor in the fight are very naive. If both guys were the same size and had the skills they have, Haye would've walked it!

...But Haye is crap

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Oh yeah I agree with you on that. If Valuev was 6 ft 3 he wouldn't get past the first round of a Prizefighter competition let alone fight for a world title.

I don't really have a problem with Haye winning, I mean Valuev was shit. But let's be real, Haye did no more than Holyfield did, he did no more than Ruiz did in their first fight either. In those cases Valuev got the decisions purely because of his freakish appearance imo and the fact that he was better for the heavyweight division.

Right now though, we all know Valuev sucks and he's not marketable any more whereas Haye with his cockyness and buff body certainly creates headlines so predictably he gets the nod in a close fight.

But he shouldn't be engaging in any self praise over this performance. He fought a TERRIBLE opponent in Valuev who I'd pick at least a dozen other heavies to beat him easily and instead he just ran around for 3 minutes and then landed a token punch before the bell. It was pathetic and in the light of all his smacktalk just emphasised what a bullshitter Haye is.

He will get SMASHED by either Klitschko, he just won't have any answers for either of them, and they will just take him slowly take him apart and dismantle him, it will be a joy to see.

I'm not convinced he even gets that far though. I think John Ruiz has a real chance at beating him, maybe even stopping him.

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Lol - I think he'll have enough to beat Ruiz, but agree with what you say about Klitchkos. I don't see either fight going more than 3 rounds (although it wouldn't surprise me at all if he caught Wlad and KOed him)

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It was not a good fight but Haye did what he needed to do to win the fight and I#dont blame him for that.

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....but that makes Haye a hypocrit and by that rational you (and David Haye himself) should support the way Wladimir fights, at least Wlad throws punches FFS

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When was the last time Wlad was at all out weighed or the shorter man?

Let alone by a clear foot and 100 pounds?
Haye didn't look at all spectacular and yes he didn't do what he said he would but I'd hold complete judgement until we've seen haye fight some average sized heavyweights.

He ws very inactive, but I can't believe people can't see that this was because Valuev offered haye very little to hit due to his sheer size... I would of liked Haye to throw a few more shots, even if they were just at gloves it would have gave the impression he was more active, he seemed more concerned with being accurate though... which is meant to be the name of the game but judges and fight fans usually want more.

Valuev's shoulders were making it so that 99% of the time Haye couldn't even get round his guard.