Valuev would catch anybody with at least 1 punch during a 12 round fight and 1 punch would be enough to knock out the likes of PBF.
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Valuev would catch anybody with at least 1 punch during a 12 round fight and 1 punch would be enough to knock out the likes of PBF.
Like Missy said; i think the answer is Linford Christie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Usain Bolt is a little too fast for it to be a 12 rounder... I mean, Usain Bolt has been clocked at speeds of around 40mph.
That means if he ran into Valuev, there's a 30% chance Valuev would die :-X
Any smart boxer with a bit of speed and ability to get in and out quickly can beat Valuev. Valuev is pretty awful. He's a big man and he tries his best with what he's got, but it is very limited. I thought Chagaev did it far more impressively than Haye too.
So 98% of those that have thought him have been complete uneducated no marks?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
haha a great posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerSo 98% of those that have thought him have been complete uneducated no marks?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
go boxrec his record hammer and tell me how many opponents he's fought who wern't complete tomato cans.
I count 4.
And he lost to all of them :p
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Originally Posted by Bilbohaha a great posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerSo 98% of those that have thought him have been complete uneducated no marks?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
go boxrec his record hammer and tell me how many opponents he's fought who wern't complete tomato cans.
I count 4.
And he lost to all of them :p
You could also make the exact same argument for either klitschko
Are we now led to believe that due to the poor level of opposition out there they should also be disregarded as poor fighters?
I really doubt he it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
He doesnt hit hard. His knockout record is APPALLING. He's so bad even Monte Barret went 11 rounds where genuine heavyweights like Odlanier Solis and Chris Couser :p can do him in 2.
Valuev is the worst heavyweight champ in history imo.
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Originally Posted by BilboI really doubt he it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
He doesnt hit hard. His knockout record is APPALLING. He's so bad even Monte Barret went 11 rounds where genuine heavyweights like Odlanier Solis and Chris Couser :p can do him in 2.
Valuev is the worst heavyweight champ in history imo.
so he is worse a champion than the guys he beat to become the champ
right....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by BilboI really doubt he it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
He doesnt hit hard. His knockout record is APPALLING. He's so bad even Monte Barret went 11 rounds where genuine heavyweights like Odlanier Solis and Chris Couser :p can do him in 2.
Valuev is the worst heavyweight champ in history imo.
so he is worse a champion than the guys he beat to become the champ
right....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Yes absolutely! John Ruiz was ROBBED against Valuev, he beat him easily in their first fight, so bad that even the Germans booed the decision. He got that decision because he was a 7 ft plus freakshow, he clearly lost the fight.
Then after losing to Chagav he fought Ruiz again for a vacant belt and won on a split decision, before defending it against Holyfield in another robbery and then lost to David Haye.
His title reign has been appalling.
He should NEVER have been a world champ, he only won the belt because of boxing politics and corrupt judging.
Silly as it is ;D..
Shorter guys with a shorter reach have to get closer which obviously makes it easier for Valuev to land. Now consider Valuev's weight advantage, he doesn't have to land clean punches, he can topple little guys off balance from landing anywhere. Landing a shoulder punch on a 16 stoner might not have a big affect but i'm sure it could topple over a much lighter fighter.
This is true, Valuev isn't all that good. He's just a problem because of unusual height and girth. If you are fast enough to let him swing at air or make him chase you around the ring whilst unloading a punch or two each round then you have him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbohaha a great posting.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerSo 98% of those that have thought him have been complete uneducated no marks?Quote:
Originally Posted by miles
go boxrec his record hammer and tell me how many opponents he's fought who wern't complete tomato cans.
I count 4.
And he lost to all of them :p
Sorry, but Valuev gets way more shit than he deserves, now I'd like to preface this by saying he's not great or particularly good. What he isn't is complete shit. He is by no means the worst Heavyweight Champ in history, have you not seen footage of Primo Carnera?? Valuev looks like Ali next to him. I'd also say that Pinklon Thomas & possibly Tony Tubbs were worse, & reportedly there was a guy in the early part of the last century called Marvin Hart who was truly awful.
Valuev is a lot better than he gets credit for. He has decent fundamental boxing skills, & doesn't have bad movement or speed for a man his size who is clearly not a natural athlete in a way that Lennox or the Klitschkos are. Now, I'm not saying he's great or a worthy world champ, but he's by no means the worst ever. Say what you like but he's never been clearly beaten & yes whilst his size obviously has played a huge part & his record does have some heavy padding, he has also clearly beaten some decent guys & often by outboxing them. Carnera couldn't have outboxed a heavy bag.
* Key word throughout that is DECENT. He's not great or even particularly good, but he isn't completely shit, especially compared to many of the other big men of the past.
I always thought Calderon could beat Paulie Malignaggi. Valuev? Maybe but he would have to be real negative.
haha absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
A lot would depend on whether the inevitable knockdowns were rule as legitimate or pushes.
But I think if Calderon just wanted to stay away for 12 rounds he probably could.
Tubbs and Thomas weren't that bad. There are some other horrors that held versions of the belts, i.e Coetzer, Tate, Bentt, Weaver and many more. Agreed though Valuev aint the worstQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin