Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Lyle
What Wlad does well will negate everything Haye did vs Valuev...great jab, great athletic ability, big power, and good defense.
Broken hand or not Haye cannot fight that way and beat Wladimir, it's not going to happen. As far as punch output, Haye has never impressed in that area
Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?
Wlad gon get knocked out ;D
And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away ;D
The Wlad who fought Lamon Brewster the first time has been completely revamped by Emmanuel Steward. Haye won't step in the ring against a guy he can just throw bombs at. And remember, Brewster had to drag himself off the canvas twice before Klitschko gassed out. If Haye takes those kinds of punches flush I don't think he survives. Brewster had a monster of a chin in that fight. Hell, if that Brewster fought Haye he'd kill David.
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Killface
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Memphis
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Lyle
What Wlad does well will negate everything Haye did vs Valuev...great jab, great athletic ability, big power, and good defense.
Broken hand or not Haye cannot fight that way and beat Wladimir, it's not going to happen. As far as punch output, Haye has never impressed in that area
Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?
Wlad gon get knocked out ;D
And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away ;D
The Wlad who fought Lamon Brewster the first time has been completely revamped by Emmanuel Steward. Haye won't step in the ring against a guy he can just throw bombs at. And remember, Brewster had to drag himself off the canvas twice before Klitschko gassed out. If Haye takes those kinds of punches flush I don't think he survives. Brewster had a monster of a chin in that fight. Hell, if that Brewster fought Haye he'd kill David.
Your seriously over emphasising lamont brewster here
Any decent heavy including the likes of peter and ibraghimov could take brewster out if they wanted to.
Throw vitali out of the equasion here, he`d kill haye 365 days a year. I genuinely think wladmir could be one of those guys who gets intimidated and allows the occasion to get the best of him. Haye in my opinion boxes a very clever fight which frustrates wlad leading to him falling into hayes trap and getting sparked out!
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
Anyone else want to take my post as something other than a dig at Lyle? ;D
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Memphis
Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?
Wlad gon get knocked out ;D
And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away ;D
OK, do you see David Haye taking the punishment Lamon Brewster took to win that fight? Do you see David Haye applying pressure effectively like Lamon Brewster did?
I don't, which is why I am not worried Haye will do anything like Lamon Brewster did, same goes for Ross Purrity.
(before you even ask) As for comparing Haye to Sanders, Wladimir will not and has not fought in that manner since that fight. Wlad got impatient with Sanders, he wanted to put on a show to land a fight with Lennox Lewis...it's not the first time or the last time something like that has happened. Believe you me there is NO WAY Wlad is looking past David Haye, and I feel Wlad has every intention of doing what he said, drag Haye kicking and screaming 11 rounds and then knock him out in the 12th....but I doubt Haye lasts 7
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
I really disagree Taeth. Even at cruiserweight, Haye's athleticism has never stuck out to much, maybe he is a touch faster but I've never thought him to be super athletic. Just an unconventional fighter but it's hardly as if his likes hadn't been seen before. Also the gap in athleticism between him and Wlad is not that great.
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Memphis
I dont see it any differently than I did before. Wlad would be a very strong favourite but Haye has the punchers chance.
The one plus to come out of the Valuev fight is that Haye endorsed his punching credentials by giving Valuev jelly legs late in the fight. For every second that Haye is in there against Wlad he has a chance.
Exactly my feelings
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Memphis
Yeah Vitali is another kettle of fish, unless he gets old/injured. That window of opportunity he has against Wlad wont be there against Vitali, I cant see any way for him to win that one.
Same as above
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Memphis
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Lyle
What Wlad does well will negate everything Haye did vs Valuev...great jab, great athletic ability, big power, and good defense.
Broken hand or not Haye cannot fight that way and beat Wladimir, it's not going to happen. As far as punch output, Haye has never impressed in that area
Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?
Wlad gon get knocked out ;D
And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away ;D
You also have to admit that is a totally different Wlad too correct? Since the last time he was knocked down has anyone been close to even stunning Wlad? Hell how about hitting Wlad with a power punch?
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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The Fightfan
You also have to admit that is a totally different Wlad too correct? Since the last time he was knocked down has anyone been close to even stunning Wlad? Hell how about hitting Wlad with a power punch?
Chagaev hit Wlad with a power punch after the bell in their fight....Wlad didn't seem all that bothered by it.
I think of all the guys Wlad has fought recently Tony Thompson gave him the toughest fight, actually gave Wlad a black eye and marked his face up a touch. Of course Tony was constantly being told by his corner to keep fighting, so one has to either question his heart or think that he took some really hard shots and was really tired by the end of the fight. I give Tony Thompson big respect, he was just outclassed. I would fancy his chances vs David Haye though, because of his good defense and his good jab.
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Killface
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Memphis
Lyle, how about that Lamon Brewster? What is he, 6'2 220-230?
Wlad gon get knocked out ;D
And before you say but Wlad destroyed him in the rematch, Im happy with that, I'd take Haye splatting him then getting splatted in return just to hear you explain the first fight away ;D
The Wlad who fought Lamon Brewster the first time has been completely revamped by Emmanuel Steward. Haye won't step in the ring against a guy he can just throw bombs at. And remember, Brewster had to drag himself off the canvas twice before Klitschko gassed out. If Haye takes those kinds of punches flush I don't think he survives. Brewster had a monster of a chin in that fight. Hell, if that Brewster fought Haye he'd kill David.
Your seriously over emphasising lamont brewster here
Any decent heavy including the likes of peter and ibraghimov could take brewster out if they wanted to.
Throw vitali out of the equasion here, he`d kill haye 365 days a year. I genuinely think wladmir could be one of those guys who gets intimidated and allows the occasion to get the best of him. Haye in my opinion boxes a very clever fight which frustrates wlad leading to him falling into hayes trap and getting sparked out!
I think that fight was Brewster's peak. He doesn't have that kind of will now (but still has a helluva chin). I don't see Haye getting close to Klitschko unless Wlad lets him in and he just doesn't fight that way anymore.
On that night Peter-Brewster would have been very interesting as Peter can throw bombs all night and Brewster soaked up a helluva lot of punishment. I think Peter-Brewster would have looked similar to Golota-Brewster over the course of 7-8 rounds with Peter losing and Ibragimov would have no chance without the ability to bang. Brewster was a Tasmanian Devil and there was just no getting away from him.
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Lyle
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The Fightfan
You also have to admit that is a totally different Wlad too correct? Since the last time he was knocked down has anyone been close to even stunning Wlad? Hell how about hitting Wlad with a power punch?
Chagaev hit Wlad with a power punch after the bell in their fight....Wlad didn't seem all that bothered by it.
I think of all the guys Wlad has fought recently Tony Thompson gave him the toughest fight, actually gave Wlad a black eye and marked his face up a touch. Of course Tony was constantly being told by his corner to keep fighting, so one has to either question his heart or think that he took some really hard shots and was really tired by the end of the fight. I give Tony Thompson big respect, he was just outclassed. I would fancy his chances vs David Haye though, because of his good defense and his good jab.
Agreed. I was up for his fight against Thompson. The guy was Wlad's size and was on a good win-streak. I thought there was a chance he would win and he lasted longer than Klitschko's last few opponents.
Haye would get buzzed by Klitschko's jab until he held still long enough to catch that bolt of a right hand to the face then it would be night-night.
Re: I can't see Haye beating Wladimir moreso now then ever before.
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Killface
I think that fight was Brewster's peak. He doesn't have that kind of will now (but still has a helluva chin). I don't see Haye getting close to Klitschko unless Wlad lets him in and he just doesn't fight that way anymore.
What Brewster did to Wladimir was apply CONSTANT PRESSURE, David Haye's style doesn't allow for that, he's an in and out throwing 1 or 2 punches at a time. When Brewster wasn't applying pressure Wlad was trying to chase him down.....now'a'days Wladimir fights (as I am sure all of you have noticed) with patience, he fights at the pace he is comfortable with and he usually sets the pace with his jab.
Since that loss Wlad has done it all, he's gotten up from knockdowns to win, he's KO'd fighters early, KO'd them late, won decisions, and really other than the Peter and Thompson fights he hasn't been bothered, he's very relaxed in the ring but he does his job...imagine the confidence knowing you could EASILY win a UD vs pretty much anyone in the division right now with 1 punch used over and over again.
