Majority fans and analysts don't know S**T about boxing!!!

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Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!???

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

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I was really shocked at how evenly divided the polls have been here. It's a true 50/50. I have never seen a fight so closely divided down the pike.

I myself am picking Cotto via 8

You can't blame people for picking Manny though. Even I have straddled the fence once or twice but I think the reason why I wavered in the beginning is only because Cotto was destroyed by Margarito and no one is really sure if Cotto is shot from it. Add Santiago to the equation, the 2 pounds catch weight and Cotto's last performance vs Clottey and you have a possible Manny win in your head.

The truth is, anything can happen in this sport. Fighters have been knocked out by a head butt and have gone on to lose a fight otherwise which they might not have. Holt/Torres for example :o

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Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!???

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

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The fact that your saying Zab Judah is better than Pacquiao is whats unbelievable!

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Originally Posted by levi#1BoxingFan

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Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!???

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

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The fact that your saying Zab Judah is better than Pacquiao is whats unbelievable!

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hey said that Mosley and Judah hit harder than Manny and are about as fast, not that Judah is better than Pacquiao, and it's a fact that both Mosley and Judah hit harder than Pacquiao, so not really unbelievable

I've made like a dozen phone calls regarding boxing this week alone. My phone is practically ringing off the hook (although I do most of the calling), it's been quite a time. I subscribe to that informal theory that the number of phone calls one makes is what determines who's in the know. I figure I have to rank up there this week, I can truly say I sympathize with the likes of Gary Shaw and Dan Rafael, fat men (not me) who talk all day on bluetooths (that's speculation.)

But if we're going off predictions I predicted Julio Cesar Chavez Jr's last 10 fights all accurately.

I re watched Cotto-Clottey last night.

I had a completely different view than when I saw it live. Then I thought it was an unimpressive win for Cotto, one that could have easily went the other way if Clottey pushed for him.

I've always thought Pacquiao would stop Cotto late, but after watching Cotto-Clottey again Im not sure how pacquiao would do it. Cotto went 8 rounds with that horrible gash, dug deep and forced himself to be the aggressor.

I also noticed Cotto keeps his right glove high but always drops his left, which was the side his eye was cut and still has fresh scar tissue as of yesterdays press conference. If pacquiaos right jab and hook look as goood as it did against Hatton then win or lose Cotto is going to be a blood mess again.

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Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!???

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

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Why are you mad? You should be happy. You can make money out of their stupidity if they are really the one's that are stupid and not you.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Fenster

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck. ;)

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when has Cotto's chin looked weak at 147 lbs? it took Margarito 11 rounds to stop him and that was most likely with cinder blocks on his hands, and when has he been hurt by a smaller guy at 147?

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This fight is at 145 not 147.

But anyway.. Pac punches more explosive than Margarito. Maybe not with the strength but certainly with the element of shock.

Cotto was bothered by Zab, Mosley and Clottey. He was knocked drunk against Corley and Torres.

With that amount of evidence, it would be foolish to say Pac CAN NOT knock-out Cotto. That's all ;)

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The weigh-in is at 145. The actual fight is something else.

:o They're going to gain weight after the weigh in?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Fenster

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck. ;)

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when has Cotto's chin looked weak at 147 lbs? it took Margarito 11 rounds to stop him and that was most likely with cinder blocks on his hands, and when has he been hurt by a smaller guy at 147?

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This fight is at 145 not 147.

But anyway.. Pac punches more explosive than Margarito. Maybe not with the strength but certainly with the element of shock.

Cotto was bothered by Zab, Mosley and Clottey. He was knocked drunk against Corley and Torres.

With that amount of evidence, it would be foolish to say Pac CAN NOT knock-out Cotto. That's all ;)

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We also have to remember Corley and Torres was at 140. I think Cotto is getting underestimated in this fight big time, hey I got 2 to 1 odds cant beat that.

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Originally Posted by sanchez786

And it's making me sick to my stomach. Being an avid boxing fan, I'm quite amped up for the Cotto/Pac showdown. What's really irking me is how so many MORONS out there who claim to know anything about boxing, actually beleive that Pac will stop Cotto specifically in the early rounds!!!!???

Are you kidding me!? It's bad enough for those who see Pac as a 3-1 favorite but to think he will stop Cotto?!!? Do these so called boxing fans and critics know anything at all about Cotto? Cotto has taken the best shots from Zab and Mosley and was never knocked down (I mention these 2 fighters specifically as they are in the same vicininty in terms of speed as Pac but hit much harder!). Cotto took a pounding from a huge 147lb'r in Marg and STILL wasn't knocked down...that too with possible plaster'd wraps.

How anyone thinks Pac who is coming up in weight to a prime Cotto at 145lb (still a bitch move on Pac's team to force Cotto to meet 145lb and fight a possibley weight drained Cotto ala ODH) is beyond me.
Unless the weight drain has effected Cotto (we'll know this in the first few rounds) there is no way IMO, that Pac stops Cotto...in fact, I'm calling Cotto to win a UD.

Too many people are getting carried with Pac's 2 previous wins over 'keeping my hands down Hatton' and a past his prime, severly weight drained ODH. People really need to wakeup and put things into perspective...

I will say this...It's a releif at least on this forum it's more evenly split in terms who posters feel will win...but others forums and articles I've read have Pac an 8-1 favorite!?!? Unbelievable

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i have too agree with u fella. i sometimes go on boxingscene too read the news and the amount off shit people come out with is unbelievable, childish shit. its not so bad on here. there is no way pac will stop cotto early. cotto is a very polished fighter. i do believe pac will lose this fight. but i suppose anything can happen. but logic says it goes a good few rounds before anyone is stopped

nothing is unthinkable in this fight...

If Pac KO'd Cotto early people will say we should have seen it coming, he did the same to Hatton, Cotto hasn't looked great since the Marg debacle and he was forced to get down to 145 (which I don't think is a problem).

If Cotto gets the early KO, again people will say we should have known, Cotto is a true WW and Pac is not anywhere near really. Pac has taken credit from fighting 2 over the hill fighters and looking awesome it was never going to happen here.

If Pac wins a decision (which is what I've gone for) people will say well Pacs speed was always going to be the telling factor in this fight and Cotto was never going to risk another KO after what happened against Marg, and he hasn't exactly looked great since that fight.

And if Cotto wins a decision it would have been obvious that he would control the fight due to his size advantage.

The only thing I can say is the last 2 Pac fights I have gone against him and both times he has shocked the hell out of me, not only in how he took the fight to the bigger men but the way that Freddie Roach pretty much predicted how he would do it too!

I find it funny how someone reads stats or figures weight class are the only things that determine stoppages. No matter what the numbers are, the regardless of weight or history of the opponents... The punches that can get you are the ones you never see coming. Perfect example, being feather fisted Corely having Cotto dancing on queer street before.
Margarito was a murderous puncher (with or without plaster), but his punches could be seen coming a mile away. Mosely stood in front of Cotto and tried to slug with him a good part of the time instead of using his foot work and angles and timing. Judah used angles and speed and rocked Cotto too, then Cotto went to the cup twice.
The fact remains that Cotto is wide open for the uppercut all day, every day and he has a bad habit of dropping his hands before he shoots his punches and is bad at defending consecutive body head punches with the same hand. On top of that you have an experienced trainer looking to exploit it all. The window of opportunity is definitely there, whether people want to believe it or not.

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Originally Posted by amat

I've made like a dozen phone calls regarding boxing this week alone. My phone is practically ringing off the hook (although I do most of the calling), it's been quite a time. I subscribe to that informal theory that the number of phone calls one makes is what determines who's in the know. I figure I have to rank up there this week, I can truly say I sympathize with the likes of Gary Shaw and Dan Rafael, fat men (not me) who talk all day on bluetooths (that's speculation.)

But if we're going off predictions I predicted Julio Cesar Chavez Jr's last 10 fights all accurately.

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Sounds like this guy knows his stuff.

What is this "boxing" you speak of?

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Originally Posted by Fenster

It's even more moronic to claim Pac can't KO Cotto early.

You're gonna look like a proper mug should this happen. Pac has a serious speed advantage, he hits hard, Cotto doesn't have a great chin.

Good luck. ;)

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I agree Pac is fast, also he hits while bodily on the move and goes out on weird angles and covers his path with a cross.

He can catch other more routine style fighters cold or even worse on a turn trying to follow him (the target.)

Thats why someone intent on removing him wont be able to . I think it wil take a text book skill of control and making him pay for his mistakes to be able to beat him. Cottos needsto be in the zone from before the fight right through it,with no preconcieved ideas about how it will go.

But you never know if Cotto fights to the letter and holds control over his own centre line and keeps Pac where he wants him ,comes out from behind the jab and does it when he earns it, in controlled spurts (Then Pac will pay and may feel it harder than he has ever done before.

Ii live in hope. Go Cotto.

But I wont be so dissaointed if Pac wins hes a great Champ great for the sport anyway.

Just God help us with his not so humble fans telling us which way the wind blows all based on one fighter and how they are the prediction kings of all time.

:smilie_whisper: (I predict my Rolls Royce will outlast your Ford)