Manny Pacquiao Getting Outboxed Interesting Fight.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

It's like talking about finding a weakness into Gollum when he used to be Smeagol.

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Originally Posted by robinswe01

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Originally Posted by Nameless

It's like talking about finding a weakness into Gollum when he used to be Smeagol.

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So are you going to honor our bets ROBINSWEI01? You haven't shown here after the Pac vs Cotto fight.

Just posting this so that people would know that you tried to abscond with our bet.:mad:

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Originally Posted by Grinch

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Originally Posted by p4pking

It's incredible to think that it's the same person really.. With other great fighters you can usually see the signs early on, watching this for the first time who would imagine that Pacquiao was even remotely one to look out for.. He does almost nothing promising that I see, truly amazing the way he has evolved as a fighter. Even to watch him against Ledwaba or Barrera where he was largely one dimensional, he is LEAPS ahead of himself here as far as athletecism and punching form etc.

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Agreed.

I bought 4 career sets early this year, Pacquiao, Maywethaer, Mosley and Juan Manny Marquez.

3 out of 4 of those fighters don't look any different in their primes than what they did in their 1st couple of fights.

Manny Pacquiao was horrible to watch as a novice. In retrospect that's a great thing (as far as the story goes) but i wouldn't of even bothered with him if the attached fight was here and now.

Thanks for vid Ice.

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Mayweather looks nothing like he used to in his early fights, he used to be a lot more aggressive and flat footed so guess you oughta re-watch his career set :-\

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Grinch

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Originally Posted by p4pking

It's incredible to think that it's the same person really.. With other great fighters you can usually see the signs early on, watching this for the first time who would imagine that Pacquiao was even remotely one to look out for.. He does almost nothing promising that I see, truly amazing the way he has evolved as a fighter. Even to watch him against Ledwaba or Barrera where he was largely one dimensional, he is LEAPS ahead of himself here as far as athletecism and punching form etc.

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Agreed.

I bought 4 career sets early this year, Pacquiao, Maywethaer, Mosley and Juan Manny Marquez.

3 out of 4 of those fighters don't look any different in their primes than what they did in their 1st couple of fights.

Manny Pacquiao was horrible to watch as a novice. In retrospect that's a great thing (as far as the story goes) but i wouldn't of even bothered with him if the attached fight was here and now.

Thanks for vid Ice.

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Mayweather looks nothing like he used to in his early fights, he used to be a lot more aggressive and flat footed so guess you oughta re-watch his career set :-\

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You think so on Mayweather? I see him as basically the same. He has that olympic style of boxing that has him scoring and moving. He seems to get a little more flat footed later in fights as his opponent doesnt seem to be as much of a threat. He did it pretty early against Zab Judah.


As far as Manny, no way you can use any of his early fights as any barometer to judge him, hes a completely different fighter now, but that doesnt change the fact that his style still may have problems with a good boxer.

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Originally Posted by salty trunks

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Grinch

Agreed.

I bought 4 career sets early this year, Pacquiao, Maywethaer, Mosley and Juan Manny Marquez.

3 out of 4 of those fighters don't look any different in their primes than what they did in their 1st couple of fights.

Manny Pacquiao was horrible to watch as a novice. In retrospect that's a great thing (as far as the story goes) but i wouldn't of even bothered with him if the attached fight was here and now.

Thanks for vid Ice.

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Mayweather looks nothing like he used to in his early fights, he used to be a lot more aggressive and flat footed so guess you oughta re-watch his career set :-\

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You think so on Mayweather? I see him as basically the same. He has that olympic style of boxing that has him scoring and moving. He seems to get a little more flat footed later in fights as his opponent doesnt seem to be as much of a threat. He did it pretty early against Zab Judah.


As far as Manny, no way you can use any of his early fights as any barometer to judge him, hes a completely different fighter now, but that doesnt change the fact that his style still may have problems with a good boxer.

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Floyd used to square up alot more in his earlier fights, and would actually go in for the kill, his style is very different, he wasn't as sharp defensively as he is now, basically would just block with his forearms instead of the shoulder roll, it's not as drastic a change as Pacquiao's but the Mayweather looked completely different early on

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by salty trunks

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Mayweather looks nothing like he used to in his early fights, he used to be a lot more aggressive and flat footed so guess you oughta re-watch his career set :-\

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You think so on Mayweather? I see him as basically the same. He has that olympic style of boxing that has him scoring and moving. He seems to get a little more flat footed later in fights as his opponent doesnt seem to be as much of a threat. He did it pretty early against Zab Judah.


As far as Manny, no way you can use any of his early fights as any barometer to judge him, hes a completely different fighter now, but that doesnt change the fact that his style still may have problems with a good boxer.

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Floyd used to square up alot more in his earlier fights, and would actually go in for the kill, his style is very different, he wasn't as sharp defensively as he is now, basically would just block with his forearms instead of the shoulder roll, it's not as drastic a change as Pacquiao's but the Mayweather looked completely different early on

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Probably has a lot to do with his level of opposition getting better.

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Originally Posted by salty trunks

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by salty trunks

You think so on Mayweather? I see him as basically the same. He has that olympic style of boxing that has him scoring and moving. He seems to get a little more flat footed later in fights as his opponent doesnt seem to be as much of a threat. He did it pretty early against Zab Judah.


As far as Manny, no way you can use any of his early fights as any barometer to judge him, hes a completely different fighter now, but that doesnt change the fact that his style still may have problems with a good boxer.

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Floyd used to square up alot more in his earlier fights, and would actually go in for the kill, his style is very different, he wasn't as sharp defensively as he is now, basically would just block with his forearms instead of the shoulder roll, it's not as drastic a change as Pacquiao's but the Mayweather looked completely different early on

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Probably has a lot to do with his level of opposition getting better.

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thing is he still looked a lot more aggressive against Diego Corrales, IMO he became a complete defensive fighter after the Castillo fight, and well he hasn't really been in a close fight since then except maybe the DLH fight

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Grinch

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Originally Posted by p4pking

It's incredible to think that it's the same person really.. With other great fighters you can usually see the signs early on, watching this for the first time who would imagine that Pacquiao was even remotely one to look out for.. He does almost nothing promising that I see, truly amazing the way he has evolved as a fighter. Even to watch him against Ledwaba or Barrera where he was largely one dimensional, he is LEAPS ahead of himself here as far as athletecism and punching form etc.

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Agreed.

I bought 4 career sets early this year, Pacquiao, Maywethaer, Mosley and Juan Manny Marquez.

3 out of 4 of those fighters don't look any different in their primes than what they did in their 1st couple of fights.

Manny Pacquiao was horrible to watch as a novice. In retrospect that's a great thing (as far as the story goes) but i wouldn't of even bothered with him if the attached fight was here and now.

Thanks for vid Ice.

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Mayweather looks nothing like he used to in his early fights, he used to be a lot more aggressive and flat footed so guess you oughta re-watch his career set :-\

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Na I'm good fam ;D

Listen, when Floyd was in with Gatti, he was 'alot more flat footed and aggressive'... Think about it ;)




In regards to my earlier post: What i really mean is, Floyd hasn't reallly learned any new tricks, new moves... Isn't really showing a new skill set. Neither is Mosley and IMO neither is Marquez.

They were all pulling the same moves (offensively & defensively), had the same punching technique, same habits, same flaws and to me, as far as mechanics go, their are all round technically similar (now to then).

Manny Pacquiao is a completely different fighter yet he isn't any less aggresive :p

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Originally Posted by Grinch

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Grinch

Agreed.

I bought 4 career sets early this year, Pacquiao, Maywethaer, Mosley and Juan Manny Marquez.

3 out of 4 of those fighters don't look any different in their primes than what they did in their 1st couple of fights.

Manny Pacquiao was horrible to watch as a novice. In retrospect that's a great thing (as far as the story goes) but i wouldn't of even bothered with him if the attached fight was here and now.

Thanks for vid Ice.

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Mayweather looks nothing like he used to in his early fights, he used to be a lot more aggressive and flat footed so guess you oughta re-watch his career set :-\

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Na I'm good fam ;D

Listen, when Floyd was in with Gatti, he was 'alot more flat footed and aggressive'... Think about it ;)




In regards to my earlier post: What i really mean is, Floyd hasn't reallly learned any new tricks, new moves... Isn't really showing a new skill set. Neither is Mosley and IMO neither is Marquez.

They were all pulling the same moves (offensively & defensively), had the same punching technique, same habits, same flaws and to me, as far as mechanics go, their are all round technically similar (now to then).

Manny Pacquiao is a completely different fighter yet he isn't any less aggresive :p

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Mayweather hasn't really had to change, Mosley became a lot more technical in the higher weight classes especially 154 (clinching alot more, and not as aggressive), and Marquez, well he basically just has perfect technique and a brilliant mind in the ring, neither one of these 3 were as horribly flawed as Manny to have to evolve so drastically

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Grinch

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Mayweather looks nothing like he used to in his early fights, he used to be a lot more aggressive and flat footed so guess you oughta re-watch his career set :-\

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Na I'm good fam ;D

Listen, when Floyd was in with Gatti, he was 'alot more flat footed and aggressive'... Think about it ;)




In regards to my earlier post: What i really mean is, Floyd hasn't reallly learned any new tricks, new moves... Isn't really showing a new skill set. Neither is Mosley and IMO neither is Marquez.

They were all pulling the same moves (offensively & defensively), had the same punching technique, same habits, same flaws and to me, as far as mechanics go, their are all round technically similar (now to then).

Manny Pacquiao is a completely different fighter yet he isn't any less aggresive :p

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Mayweather hasn't really had to change, Mosley became a lot more technical in the higher weight classes especially 154 (clinching alot more, and not as aggressive), and Marquez, well he basically just has perfect technique and a brilliant mind in the ring, neither one of these 3 were as horribly flawed as Manny to have to evolve so drastically

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Exactly :D

12 years ago and Manny still knocked that ass out ;D

That is not even half the man Manny is today ;D