Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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12-25-2009, 10:36 AM
TheBranMan

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Originally Posted by blegit

He does have some very nice points. I was getting suspicious of Pac after his refusal. But after seeing the excuses and diverted attempts I am completely suspicious. The USADA chief knocks down another excuse from Pac's team for not wanting to take the tests. Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud | Floyd Mayweather - - MLive.com
At this point if Pac was on steroids he should do what a smart backed up criminal would do. Since he has never been caught he should stay off the steroids, take the tests, test clean, and get whooped by PBF. Plus, its boxing and he could always land that lucky shot. At least his past will look clean and his past success will appear confirmed clean. It would be a sacrificial loss. Because what his team is doing right now this is looking really bad. Pac needs to hire a strategist at this point.

Well thought out and said. I agree completely. Right now, I refuse to believe for certain that he beat Cotto (or any of his recent opponents) without the aid of PEDs. Stay clean for your last fight, lose to PBF and go down as a good fighter. That, or tarnish your entire career.
12-25-2009, 10:48 AM
SEB

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

Lol,

So I guess, they're going to ask for every fighter pre-blood test ?? for every fight they will need to go pre test and so on ?

let's remain serious, I have nothing against blood test, but you cannot create a special rule or special test for a fighter...more specifically if the demand is coming from the other fighter...
12-25-2009, 10:59 AM
brucelee

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

LOL. This issue has been bloated to the point of having a trial by publicity on Pac.

I guess Oscar De La Hoya is trying to put some question on Pac's win against him as he can't accept the fact that he was humiliated by a midget.

PBF, scared as he is against Pac, is taking advantage of the situation.

I just don't know what they will do next after Pac accept their term of random drug testing.

Ohhh, let me guess.....

More excuses?:-\
12-25-2009, 11:14 AM
Gandalf

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

If you can set catch weights and have financial weight stipulations, then I don't see the big deal in requesting a comprehensive drugs check.

The Pac defenders are also bloating the issue by trying to evade the issue at hand. All the arguments against the test have been countered effectively. The drug request is a new thing, but it brings to light the serious need for commisions to update their testing procedures because as things stand drug users can and will find loopholes.

This is a huge sum of money Pac will be taking away, it's only right that he proves he is worth it by showing that he is clean. A urine check is not enough to prove him clean as has been pointed out. We can al run around saying Mayweather is a chicken, but I don't see that at all. I see a serious issue being raised and Manny is not being responsible by responding as he currently is. Recent reports showing that he is suing for defamation seem to me quite petty and to be honest makes him look even more silly. It's an attempt to save face that just isn't going to work.

We've seen that he can take a blood test, now just do it randomly and get on with the fight. To give up 40 million dollars over this is insane.
12-25-2009, 01:15 PM
SEB

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

We all accept the blood test, but it needs to be for everyone...you want blood tests ? good ! honestly, but impose it for every boxing bouts !

You cannot impose a new test procedure from a fighter demands...

and by the way, I would looove to have this same blood testing done for NFL and NBA :-)
12-25-2009, 04:10 PM
piye

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

I agree impose it for all fights then. But Pac is could be a great introduction to these tests for the boxing world! what better way to start a new testing of fighters than to test it's two biggest stars.
12-25-2009, 04:16 PM
Dr. Steelhammer

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by piye

I agree impose it for all fights then. But Pac is could be a great introduction to these tests for the boxing world! what better way to start a new testing of fighters than to test it's two biggest stars.

Good idea. They should start enforcing it for Mosley and Berto or whaever pro fights available by early 2010. They should impose it asap.

Let's break everybody's balls, not just Pac's.
12-25-2009, 04:27 PM
killersheep

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

This has gotten out of hand there are at least 10 threads with the exact same arguments on them. Can we get a mod to merge them all?

And of course we are going to break Pac's balls about this, it's HIS negotiation. He is going to sue Mayweather to try to turn this into something else, to hide the fact he is backing out of the fight to not take a drug test.

I guarantee if the roles were reversed and Pacquiao was asking for the drug test, Intazz, The Congressman, PSL, brucelee, Dr. Steelhammer would be on the exact other side of the argument saying floyd is scared.

The biggest fight of our generation deserves unique treatment. Why not use it as a precedent to a higher standard of drug testing.

Mosley/Berto should not have extra drug testing because the contracts are already done and signed.
12-25-2009, 04:48 PM
the wiz

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

Ok, here's just one point I'll make on this. The reason for blood testing is primarily for the testing of HGH, which cannont be detected in a urine test. Well to get the full effects of HGH you need to be using it for 6 months. It's not something you're going to shoot once and BAM you're all jacked up on HGH, it just doesn't work that way.

So testing 30 days before the fight and immidately following the fight would be more than sufficient for detecting HGH.
12-25-2009, 04:50 PM
Intazzz

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

This has gotten out of hand there are at least 10 threads with the exact same arguments on them. Can we get a mod to merge them all?

And of course we are going to break Pac's balls about this, it's HIS negotiation. He is going to sue Mayweather to try to turn this into something else, to hide the fact he is backing out of the fight to not take a drug test.

I guarantee if the roles were reversed and Pacquiao was asking for the drug test, Intazz, The Congressman, PSL, brucelee, Dr. Steelhammer would be on the exact other side of the argument saying floyd is scared.

The biggest fight of our generation deserves unique treatment. Why not use it as a precedent to a higher standard of drug testing.

Mosley/Berto should not have extra drug testing because the contracts are already done and signed.

lol Ok start to kill you self because Pacquiao agree for random drug test.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4768830
12-25-2009, 04:50 PM
Dr. Steelhammer

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

This has gotten out of hand there are at least 10 threads with the exact same arguments on them. Can we get a mod to merge them all?

And of course we are going to break Pac's balls about this, it's HIS negotiation. He is going to sue Mayweather to try to turn this into something else, to hide the fact he is backing out of the fight to not take a drug test.

I guarantee if the roles were reversed and Pacquiao was asking for the drug test, Intazz, The Congressman, PSL, brucelee, Dr. Steelhammer would be on the exact other side of the argument saying floyd is scared.

The biggest fight of our generation deserves unique treatment. Why not use it as a precedent to a higher standard of drug testing.

Mosley/Berto should not have extra drug testing because the contracts are already done and signed.

The rule is the rule. Pacquiao is not making them. But Mayweather is changing them with baseless accusation.

The 3 biggest, most hyped fights in boxing history Ali-Frazier, Leonard-Hearns, and DLH-Trinidad didn't get "unique treatment". Why should Pac-Floyd be different?

Just stick with traditional NSAC test and let the fight negotiation resume.
12-25-2009, 05:15 PM
killersheep

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by the wiz

Ok, here's just one point I'll make on this. The reason for blood testing is primarily for the testing of HGH, which cannont be detected in a urine test. Well to get the full effects of HGH you need to be using it for 6 months. It's not something you're going to shoot once and BAM you're all jacked up on HGH, it just doesn't work that way.

So testing 30 days before the fight and immidately following the fight would be more than sufficient for detecting HGH.

Yes for HGH but not for EPO and other PEDs.
12-25-2009, 05:16 PM
killersheep

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Steelhammer

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Originally Posted by killersheep

This has gotten out of hand there are at least 10 threads with the exact same arguments on them. Can we get a mod to merge them all?

And of course we are going to break Pac's balls about this, it's HIS negotiation. He is going to sue Mayweather to try to turn this into something else, to hide the fact he is backing out of the fight to not take a drug test.

I guarantee if the roles were reversed and Pacquiao was asking for the drug test, Intazz, The Congressman, PSL, brucelee, Dr. Steelhammer would be on the exact other side of the argument saying floyd is scared.

The biggest fight of our generation deserves unique treatment. Why not use it as a precedent to a higher standard of drug testing.

Mosley/Berto should not have extra drug testing because the contracts are already done and signed.

The rule is the rule. Pacquiao is not making them. But Mayweather is changing them with baseless accusation.

The 3 biggest, most hyped fights in boxing history Ali-Frazier, Leonard-Hearns, and DLH-Trinidad didn't get "unique treatment". Why should Pac-Floyd be different?

Just stick with traditional NSAC test and let the fight negotiation resume.

What rules? This is an individual private contract, there is no 10 million dollar per pound rule either.
12-25-2009, 05:24 PM
killersheep

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by Intazzz

Quote:

Originally Posted by killersheep

This has gotten out of hand there are at least 10 threads with the exact same arguments on them. Can we get a mod to merge them all?

And of course we are going to break Pac's balls about this, it's HIS negotiation. He is going to sue Mayweather to try to turn this into something else, to hide the fact he is backing out of the fight to not take a drug test.

I guarantee if the roles were reversed and Pacquiao was asking for the drug test, Intazz, The Congressman, PSL, brucelee, Dr. Steelhammer would be on the exact other side of the argument saying floyd is scared.

The biggest fight of our generation deserves unique treatment. Why not use it as a precedent to a higher standard of drug testing.

Mosley/Berto should not have extra drug testing because the contracts are already done and signed.

lol Ok start to kill you self because Pacquiao agree for random drug test.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4768830

No he didn't, read the original article that is quoted from ESPN.

If you click the link it goes to boxing news 24 .com where the writer falsely represents the original article which is the URL if you copy and paste it instead of clicking it. In that article it quotes Arum saying they will NOT submit to random tests and still want:

"Manny will submit to as many random urine tests requested," Arum said. "Regarding the blood tests, he will subject himself to three tests -- one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than Feb. 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Manny's locker room.

"The major issue related to the testing rests with which independent agency will administer these tests," he said. "The United States Anti Doping Agency cannot do it because they will not amend its procedures to accommodate the blood testing schedule we have outlined. USADA, under its guidelines, would have the right to administer random blood tests as many times as they want up to weigh-in day and that is ludicrous." - Bob Arum from direct quote
12-25-2009, 05:30 PM
the wiz

Re: Vivek Wallace and his opinion on Pac Mayweather.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by the wiz

Ok, here's just one point I'll make on this. The reason for blood testing is primarily for the testing of HGH, which cannont be detected in a urine test. Well to get the full effects of HGH you need to be using it for 6 months. It's not something you're going to shoot once and BAM you're all jacked up on HGH, it just doesn't work that way.

So testing 30 days before the fight and immidately following the fight would be more than sufficient for detecting HGH.

Yes for HGH but not for EPO and other PEDs.

True on EPO but other PED's (and I could be wrong) I thought they would be detected via the urine tests and/or blood tests that are proposed by the Pacquiao camp.

I think what we got here is not really Pac hiding anything, just a BIG pissing contest by both camps. It's a shame it's going to deraill a big fight of this magnitude.

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