Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Fenster
Surprised Beard is that highly thought of. I always thought he was about 1 step up from TrainerMonkey in the Hatton camp.
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Quite the opposite mate, he is boxing trainers best kept secret. His recommendations all come from professional fighters he has worked with. He is only young with an amatuer background but when you speak to him and watch him train fighters he blows you away to be honest.
Lee has never been in full control of Ricks training bar the 2 weeks Billy had a vaction during the Lazcano camp. And even then it was done on the sly as Billy would have gone apeshit if he found out. In fact Billy sent Lee Beard packing from the Phoenix Camp on a few occasions. Jealously.
I just wish Lee had taken over full time as soon as they got rid of Billy. But Ray thought it would be in the best interests from a commercial perspective to get a big name, hence Floyd Snr's appointment.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
I was being serious about Fenech and Rooney....Roach wouldn't train Ricky Hatton for anything.
Ronnie Shields wouldn't be horrible for Ricky if he could teach him anything about defense that would be a plus
....I think Ricky is a shot fighter now, he's not the best at 140, he can't compete with even the AVERAGE 147 fighters much less the best, and there's no way he makes any other weight class. The only fight I would want to see that involved Ricky Hatton is Miguel Cotto and I would like for both fighters to retire after that fight.
In hindsight I wonder how Ricky would have done vs Randall Bailey
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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skel1983
What I want to know is why the hell is Guzman using Lee beard?
One would think Guzman has only been told good things about Lee hence the reason he wants him, nothing less nothing more ;)
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Mattyhitman
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skel1983
What I want to know is why the hell is Guzman using Lee beard?
One would think Guzman has only been told good things about Lee hence the reason he wants him, nothing less nothing more ;)
Obviously, I didnt realise Beard was that known over there which he obviously is, I just thought It was a bit random, but I now hear he has been recommended by another fighter.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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miron_lang
Roach
He doesnt overhaul you like Sr. He just concentrates of what you have. All those interviews means nothing anyway Hatton should not take it personally and get Roach.
Maybe hatton want's to stay clean ;)
I think this was a smart move getting rid of beard. Although finding a new trainer, who'll train him in this country could be tricky.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Jimmy G-Force
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Back to Floyd Senior, at least 24/7 would then be worth watching.
Floyd Snr was the biggest mistake Ray Hatton ever made. He was in it for the cool million he received and nothing more in my opinion, and many others. Floyd Snr even refused to train Ricky on the pads in prep for Manny as he said that he doesnt do 'Southpaw' pad-work. :o
There was plenty of footage on sky news and 24/7 of snr and ricky doing pad work.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Hornfinger
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Jimmy G-Force
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Bomp
Back to Floyd Senior, at least 24/7 would then be worth watching.
Floyd Snr was the biggest mistake Ray Hatton ever made. He was in it for the cool million he received and nothing more in my opinion, and many others. Floyd Snr even refused to train Ricky on the pads in prep for Manny as he said that he doesnt do 'Southpaw' pad-work. :o
There was plenty of footage on sky news and 24/7 of snr and ricky doing pad work.
Ahh but was it padwork designed to counter and land on a southpaw ?
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Mattyhitman
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Hornfinger
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Jimmy G-Force
Floyd Snr was the biggest mistake Ray Hatton ever made. He was in it for the cool million he received and nothing more in my opinion, and many others. Floyd Snr even refused to train Ricky on the pads in prep for Manny as he said that he doesnt do 'Southpaw' pad-work. :o
There was plenty of footage on sky news and 24/7 of snr and ricky doing pad work.
Ahh but was it padwork designed to counter and land on a southpaw ?
Exactly, no it wasnt.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Jimmy G-Force
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Mattyhitman
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Hornfinger
There was plenty of footage on sky news and 24/7 of snr and ricky doing pad work.
Ahh but was it padwork designed to counter and land on a southpaw ?
Exactly, no it wasnt.
But here's what I don't understand. If I was a boxer on the brink of a mega fight and my body is telling me I've got to slow down a bit, or I feel like I'm peaking too soon, I'm going to put my foot down and say something. If my trainer then persists in training me into the ground or refusing to do pad work or other training techniques vital to beating my oponant (not mention turning up for training late) than I'm going to tell him to pack his bags and fuck off. Especially if you've got Lee beard to take over anyway.
I'm just surprised Ricky didn't do something.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Jimmy G-Force
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Mattyhitman
Ahh but was it padwork designed to counter and land on a southpaw ?
Exactly, no it wasnt.
But here's what I don't understand. If I was a boxer on the brink of a mega fight and my body is telling me I've got to slow down a bit, or I feel like I'm peaking too soon, I'm going to put my foot down and say something. If my trainer then persists in training me into the ground or refusing to do pad work or other training techniques vital to beating my oponant (not mention turning up for training late) than I'm going to tell him to pack his bags and fuck off. Especially if you've got Lee beard to take over anyway.
I'm just surprised Ricky didn't do something.
Firstly, Ricky didnt say anything about the overtraining because he probably didnt want to admit defeat to the programme. Especially if he thought that Oscar and Floyd Jnr had handled Floyd Snr's regime, even though they probably differed massively.
Secondly, they did tell Floyd Snr to pack his bags and fuck off weeks before the fight, it just wasnt made public.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
I am not really sure how much did with Lee anyways, the only other guys Lee has worked with are Matthew Hatton and Tim Coleman right? Matthew has made some good progress but I think that was mainly down to Billy Graham, Coleman is poor he was very lucky to get a win over Arnoutis, I had him losing by 3-4 rounds.
I am not sure if there is anyone in the UK for Ricky, no offence but the set up is just too wrong, too many distractions. He needs to get away from thinngs and really give it one more good shot at it. I guess the states is the best place for that any Europeans would have a language barrier, and Australia would def be out for me, so who is there in the States -
Freddy Roach - No, just would be an insult for Ricky, Freddy has already expressed his feelings on how good he thinks Hatton is on World TV, you can't go back to something like that.
Floyd Sr - Hell No, crap job the first time and doesn't care about Hatton
Ronnie Shields - I worry about his advice sometimes,, telling Diaz to take a round off when fighting Malignaggi and already 5 rounds down was a joke, but generally a good trainer
Buddy McGirt - Buddy already has too many guys and it shows if you spread yourself too thin you will suffer
John Tandy - Has established himself well in the States and brought a guy like Yusaf Mack to the top, would wait to see how his boy does against Glen Johnson but a win there and he should be considered, least Hatton may be more comfortable with another Brit.
Joe Goossen - Could be another interesting choice, great trainer, burns his guys out a little, ruined Edison Miranda for his title shot by over training him last time out.
Manny Stewart - Getting a little old but still a great mind and an interesting choice
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Jimmy G-Force
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Bomp
Back to Floyd Senior, at least 24/7 would then be worth watching.
Floyd Snr was the biggest mistake Ray Hatton ever made. He was in it for the cool million he received and nothing more in my opinion, and many others. Floyd Snr even refused to train Ricky on the pads in prep for Manny as he said that he doesnt do 'Southpaw' pad-work. :o
Too right
while manny was in training for ricky, ricky was in training for floyd. You saw the worrying signs early on in the 24/7 series when he simply refused to let ricky go to work with genuine southpaws instead just opting to change stances every now and then.
Shame Lees gone to the states as he was one of the better british trainers. Im pretty sure any of merkins picks could get hatton into fighting shape. Hatton doesnt need someone in the camp with new thoughts and ideas he needs a workaholic type trainer who`s gonna work to ricks strengths.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Jimmy G-Force
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Hornfinger
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Jimmy G-Force
Exactly, no it wasnt.
But here's what I don't understand. If I was a boxer on the brink of a mega fight and my body is telling me I've got to slow down a bit, or I feel like I'm peaking too soon, I'm going to put my foot down and say something. If my trainer then persists in training me into the ground or refusing to do pad work or other training techniques vital to beating my oponant (not mention turning up for training late) than I'm going to tell him to pack his bags and fuck off. Especially if you've got Lee beard to take over anyway.
I'm just surprised Ricky didn't do something.
Firstly, Ricky didnt say anything about the overtraining because he probably didnt want to admit defeat to the programme. Especially if he thought that Oscar and Floyd Jnr had handled Floyd Snr's regime, even though they probably differed massively.
Secondly, they did tell Floyd Snr to pack his bags and fuck off weeks before the fight, it just wasnt made public.
hmmm fair points. Jr didn't handle Sr's routine though did he. thats why he's been trained by uncle roger for god knows how long and had big disputes with snr over training.
And I stand corrected if they sent Snr packing. Snr being in the gym on 24/7 during the last week of training and being in Ricky's corner on the night of the fight must have thrown me.
I think the trainer situation ricky is in now is a difficult one, it'll be very interesting to see how this all pans out for him and who he goes with.
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
Heard it is down to 3 guys
Abel Sanchez - Summit Gym in Big Bear, train Sam Peter
John Tandy - Talon Boxing in Lake Arrowhead, trains Yusaf Mack
Joe Goossen - Goossens Gym in Hollywood, trains Edison Miranda
Interesting they are all in the States, and 2 are high Altitude
Re: Hatton splits from Lee Beard
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Hornfinger
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Jimmy G-Force
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Hornfinger
But here's what I don't understand. If I was a boxer on the brink of a mega fight and my body is telling me I've got to slow down a bit, or I feel like I'm peaking too soon, I'm going to put my foot down and say something. If my trainer then persists in training me into the ground or refusing to do pad work or other training techniques vital to beating my oponant (not mention turning up for training late) than I'm going to tell him to pack his bags and fuck off. Especially if you've got Lee beard to take over anyway.
I'm just surprised Ricky didn't do something.
Firstly, Ricky didnt say anything about the overtraining because he probably didnt want to admit defeat to the programme. Especially if he thought that Oscar and Floyd Jnr had handled Floyd Snr's regime, even though they probably differed massively.
Secondly, they did tell Floyd Snr to pack his bags and fuck off weeks before the fight, it just wasnt made public.
hmmm fair points. Jr didn't handle Sr's routine though did he. thats why he's been trained by uncle roger for god knows how long and had big disputes with snr over training.
And I stand corrected if they sent Snr packing. Snr being in the gym on 24/7 during the last week of training and being in Ricky's corner on the night of the fight must have thrown me.
I think the trainer situation ricky is in now is a difficult one, it'll be very interesting to see how this all pans out for him and who he goes with.
They did it to save face for both parties.
