Someone please explain to me why Allan Green is in this tournament

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ICB

I wanted Lucian Bute in the tournament aswell being a big fan and all. But thinking about it in another way, when the winner is decided amongst the super six, and if Lucian Bute keeps winning which he should. It will be one hell of a fight between Lucian Bute and whoever the winner is, it would be the biggest fight at Super Middleweight since RJJ vs James Toney.

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I don't think anyone cares about Bute apart from you and Canada. :p

The bigger fights are the fights that are taking place right now in the super six.

Bute is out in the wilderness in much the same way as Chris John was for years. Andre Ward would have an easy night's work with him and Abraham and Froch both knock him out. Kessler beats him and Dirrell outslicks him imo.

As you can tell I'm not a fan. Beating Andrade is only slightly better than Green beating Tarvis Simms.

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Are Canadians sworn enemies of the hobbit or something Bilbo ? lol

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ICB

I wanted Lucian Bute in the tournament aswell being a big fan and all. But thinking about it in another way, when the winner is decided amongst the super six, and if Lucian Bute keeps winning which he should. It will be one hell of a fight between Lucian Bute and whoever the winner is, it would be the biggest fight at Super Middleweight since RJJ vs James Toney.

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I don't think anyone cares about Bute apart from you and Canada. :p

The bigger fights are the fights that are taking place right now in the super six.

Bute is out in the wilderness in much the same way as Chris John was for years. Andre Ward would have an easy night's work with him and Abraham and Froch both knock him out. Kessler beats him and Dirrell outslicks him imo.

As you can tell I'm not a fan. Beating Andrade is only slightly better than Green beating Tarvis Simms.

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I don't know why your not a fan Bilbo, yes some people probably did go over the top regarding the Librado Andrade rematch. But im not a bandwagon jumper.

I've been a Lucian Bute fan for quite awhile now, i can show you a thread from ages ago, where i said Lucian Bute was the darkhorse of the division.

From what i've read Lucian Bute doesn't sound like a bad guy, outside the ring. And he's had some good underrated wins, which i've told you about before. And he's exciting and he's also up to this point, willing to fight anyone.

I don't see what's not to like Bilbo personally, but thats your opinion if you don't like him i can't change your mind. But i think he will suprise you in the next few years.

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Originally Posted by ICB

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ICB

I wanted Lucian Bute in the tournament aswell being a big fan and all. But thinking about it in another way, when the winner is decided amongst the super six, and if Lucian Bute keeps winning which he should. It will be one hell of a fight between Lucian Bute and whoever the winner is, it would be the biggest fight at Super Middleweight since RJJ vs James Toney.

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I don't think anyone cares about Bute apart from you and Canada. :p

The bigger fights are the fights that are taking place right now in the super six.

Bute is out in the wilderness in much the same way as Chris John was for years. Andre Ward would have an easy night's work with him and Abraham and Froch both knock him out. Kessler beats him and Dirrell outslicks him imo.

As you can tell I'm not a fan. Beating Andrade is only slightly better than Green beating Tarvis Simms.

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I don't know why your not a fan Bilbo, yes some people probably did go over the top regarding the Librado Andrade rematch. But im not a bandwagon jumper.

I've been a Lucian Bute fan for quite awhile now, i can show you a thread from ages ago, where i said Lucian Bute was the darkhorse of the division.

From what i've read Lucian Bute doesn't sound like a bad guy, outside the ring. And he's had some good underrated wins, which i've told you about before. And he's exciting and he's also up to this point, willing to fight anyone.

I don't see what's not to like Bilbo personally, but thats your opinion if you don't like him i can't change your mind. But i think he will suprise you in the next few years.

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I agree entirely ICB

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Originally Posted by God.in.my.corner

I think they needed an American trash-talker who was going to spice things up a little bit. All the other 6 guys are class acts (well, before the AA/Direll fight)... and maybe they needed to stir up the pot a tad.

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I am sorry but Dirrell and Ward are class acts?

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

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Originally Posted by God.in.my.corner

I think they needed an American trash-talker who was going to spice things up a little bit. All the other 6 guys are class acts (well, before the AA/Direll fight)... and maybe they needed to stir up the pot a tad.

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I am sorry but Dirrell and Ward are class acts?

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Ward and Dirrell are just horrible. "Son of god"...like what the fuck does that even mean? Ward is a tit and I hope he gets crucified like the bull head that he is. As for Dirrell, Abraham wil get him next time.

I really dislike these two and will be willing every other opponent on. It is convenient that they are facing each other next. It was pretty well scripted.

For me Ward is just incredibly over the top with the religious stuff but he's done nothing to be thought of as a bad guy.

Come to think of it neither has Dirrell. Being annoyed with the guy inside the ring is different from him getting in trouble outside of the ring.

The Euros on the other hand are really classy. For example, Abraham likes to hit people who are kneeling down (possibly in the middle of their prayers.)

This tournament is bringing up such interesting matchups as far as who do I hate more.

Who am I going to root for when Froch-Abraham happens? Who do I hate less? I think I hate Froch less, shockingly.

What if Allan Green and Abraham fight? My head might explode from a hate implosion. I literally don't think I could decide who I hate less.

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

For me Ward is just incredibly over the top with the religious stuff but he's done nothing to be thought of as a bad guy.

Come to think of it neither has Dirrell. Being annoyed with the guy inside the ring is different from him getting in trouble outside of the ring.

The Euros on the other hand are really classy. For example, Abraham likes to hit people who are kneeling down (possibly in the middle of their prayers.)

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Any guy that pulls the god shit is a bad guy because it is bullshit. Dirrell is obviously mentally retarded. These two have such an audience in this next leg in the states.

It will be a battle of heads and throw me downs.... a complete battle of the poofs. Neither of these guys will win this tournament though.

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

For me Ward is just incredibly over the top with the religious stuff but he's done nothing to be thought of as a bad guy.

Come to think of it neither has Dirrell. Being annoyed with the guy inside the ring is different from him getting in trouble outside of the ring.

The Euros on the other hand are really classy. For example, Abraham likes to hit people who are kneeling down (possibly in the middle of their prayers.)

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Any guy that pulls the god shit is a bad guy because it is bullshit. Dirrell is obviously mentally retarded. These two have such an audience in this next leg in the states.

It will be a battle of heads and throw me downs.... a complete battle of the poofs. Neither of these guys will win this tournament though.

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:lol: I'm not religious at all but that's pretty hardcore Miles.

I am a Bute fan for a long time now, have seen up evolving since he's in Quebec, just I did with Dorin, Alcine, Pascal (which I dislike) and even to a lesser extend with Jo-jo Dan. In a very objective way, I don't see why Bute would lose against all of those you did mention Bilbo, before against Kessler I would have called it a tough tough fight but now, not sure anymore that I wouldn't put my money on Bute. Froch or Dirrell? I would make any bet he's smoking them off their shoes any time of the day, Corner wise or based on sheer talent. Ward could be trickier because of his speed but then again, I don't see why Bute wouln't have his chance. I don't mind somebody not being a fan and hating him (why not, we all hate a boxer or another) but you can't say the guy has absolutely no talent and deserves to fight second degree opponents.

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Originally Posted by The Fightfan

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Originally Posted by God.in.my.corner

I think they needed an American trash-talker who was going to spice things up a little bit. All the other 6 guys are class acts (well, before the AA/Direll fight)... and maybe they needed to stir up the pot a tad.

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I am sorry but Dirrell and Ward are class acts?

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Dirrell maybe, if you take away the ridiculous acting fight after fight. I`ll give my opinion on ward once i see him in a fight with froch or kessler where he isnt given the advantage of being allowed to use his head all night.

Pascal deserves to be in this tournament. He beats bute and green out of sight if you ask me

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by OumaFan

For me Ward is just incredibly over the top with the religious stuff but he's done nothing to be thought of as a bad guy.

Come to think of it neither has Dirrell. Being annoyed with the guy inside the ring is different from him getting in trouble outside of the ring.

The Euros on the other hand are really classy. For example, Abraham likes to hit people who are kneeling down (possibly in the middle of their prayers.)

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Any guy that pulls the god shit is a bad guy because it is bullshit. Dirrell is obviously mentally retarded. These two have such an audience in this next leg in the states.

It will be a battle of heads and throw me downs.... a complete battle of the poofs. Neither of these guys will win this tournament though.

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:lol: I'm not religious at all but that's pretty hardcore Miles.

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I know, but about 80% of the christians/muslims I have ever met have been utter bullshit. Tables deserve to be turned.

Religion kinda sucks and I don't think organised religion is about healthy morals anyway.

Lol...people are all entitled to thier own opinion but we all must realize, the only thing any of us know about any of these guys are what the media shows you on t.v. Calzaghe is a crackhead and everyone loves him, ward is a church boy and people hate that too ??!!! Who gives a crap what these guys do outside of thier perfomances inside the ring. Far as ward he's beat everyone put in front of him, if he reads the bible or sacrafices virgin goats outside of it shouldn't matter to anyone. This is boxing not the cub scouts. None of you here knows what butte or any of these guys do or act when the camera isn't on them. People hate floyd but i have a cousin who lives and works out at the same gym he does in vegas and says he's one of the nicest celebs he's ever met, but who cares about that either. We watch this sport to see these guys fight. Not plant tree's to save the earth and save homeless pregnet seals. The bottom line is can you beat them in the ring. That's all i look at. I wouldnt have made green my first choice but he's no worse than say froch who has fought absolutly no one outside of this tourny. And only beat another pretty much untested fighter in direll and most dont even think he won that. The tourny as a whole has been decent let green try and add to it. Why not. There was obviously no real qualifications when they choose the original six. Hell they put taylor in there and dude can barely stay awake long enough to complete a full twelve rounds. But since he lost and isn't a threat no one cared. Oh plus he supposidly is a nice guy. I find it hillarious that people are complaining about stuff like this while crap fights like hopkins/jones and ruiz/haye are going on and there are even those willing to watch that garbage. Look if the americans had all lost no one would care about any of this. Most anger should really be put towards abraham since he's the one that robbed himself and all of us of what might have been a great ending to thier fight. No one cause what happend there but him, where's all that hate for him ?

To address the thread title, after not being impressed by the idea of Green comin in originally, I've downloaded a few fights of his and now think he can throw a spanner in the works for sure. He's got the power to trouble Dirrell, 1ard and Froch no doubt IMO.

On a side note, I remember reading. Great article interview with Froch in Boxing News around the time the super six was announced. He talks it up but I think he's a straight talkin chap. He said the Bute needs to grows some bollocks. Take from that what you wish, although I'm sure Froch was in talks with him after Taylor and before the super six came around.

There's no debate, good, bad or indifferent Green was in the right place at the right time when there was supposed to be a long line ahead of him.