Wladimir: Haye is the only fight I want now, not Peter,Povetkin or anyone

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Funny how people are talking all the Haye KO's Wlad bullshit yet none want to keep in mind Haye has a soft chin himself and Wlad hits a hell of a lot harder then anything Haye has ever faced....

We have never seen an angry aggressive Wlad...Wlad is always well controlled....Take that poise and add well controlled anger behind it and Haye is in trouble...As anyone else....

I would like someone to explain to me how Haye manages to keep off an attacking Wlad who is looking just to take his head off?..

Haye isn't that strong and he isn't that good of a counter puncher...Certainly can't rely on his defense...

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I'm sorry to say I don't see that happening for at least 10 rounds.

I actually think the fight would be VERY anti climactic. Neither fighter would want to take any risks and Wlad would win with his jab alone.

I know people seem to think it could be a barnburner but I highly highly doubt it. We saw how cautious Haye was against Valuev and Wlad is almost as big and twice as dangerous.

Plus we've seen how cautious Wladimir is agiainst everybody.

They will barely throw a meaningful punch between them for the first 6 rounds imo.

The knockout may come, and it may be brutal, but it will be an end of fight affair like against Tony Thompson or Eddie Chambers imo, Wladmir isn't about to throw caution to the wind and open up on the most dangerous opponent he has faced since Sam Peter until there is literally nothing coming back, just not happening.

And David Haye, for all his macho speak of knocking their heads off knows it's a suicide mission to try and engage head on with them. He'll fight the way he did against Valuev, looking to keep out of the way and dart in and out scoring punches. But Wlad's jab will nullify him and he'll just be like everyone else backed up in the corner and unable to get close.

He may hit a bit harder than most of the other heavies but in terms of beating either Klitschko he brings nothing to the table that the other guys have brought. He'll go the same way.

For the record, the fighter with the best chance to upset them is Odlanier Solis...

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Funny how people are talking all the Haye KO's Wlad bullshit yet none want to keep in mind Haye has a soft chin himself and Wlad hits a hell of a lot harder then anything Haye has ever faced....

We have never seen an angry aggressive Wlad...Wlad is always well controlled....Take that poise and add well controlled anger behind it and Haye is in trouble...As anyone else....

I would like someone to explain to me how Haye manages to keep off an attacking Wlad who is looking just to take his head off?..

Haye isn't that strong and he isn't that good of a counter puncher...Certainly can't rely on his defense...

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I'm sorry to say I don't see that happening for at least 10 rounds.

I actually think the fight would be VERY anti climactic. Neither fighter would want to take any risks and Wlad would win with his jab alone.

I know people seem to think it could be a barnburner but I highly highly doubt it. We saw how cautious Haye was against Valuev and Wlad is almost as big and twice as dangerous.

Plus we've seen how cautious Wladimir is agiainst everybody.

They will barely throw a meaningful punch between them for the first 6 rounds imo.

The knockout may come, and it may be brutal, but it will be an end of fight affair like against Tony Thompson or Eddie Chambers imo, Wladmir isn't about to throw caution to the wind and open up on the most dangerous opponent he has faced since Sam Peter until there is literally nothing coming back, just not happening.

And David Haye, for all his macho speak of knocking their heads off knows it's a suicide mission to try and engage head on with them. He'll fight the way he did against Valuev, looking to keep out of the way and dart in and out scoring punches. But Wlad's jab will nullify him and he'll just be like everyone else backed up in the corner and unable to get close.

He may hit a bit harder than most of the other heavies but in terms of beating either Klitschko he brings nothing to the table that the other guys have brought. He'll go the same way.

For the record, the fighter with the best chance to upset them is Odlanier Solis...

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When they were going to fight the first time Wlad said he wanted to take Haye 12 rounds to inflict the maximum long term damage on him. Maybe the Chambers fight was practice for that.

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Funny how people are talking all the Haye KO's Wlad bullshit yet none want to keep in mind Haye has a soft chin himself and Wlad hits a hell of a lot harder then anything Haye has ever faced....

We have never seen an angry aggressive Wlad...Wlad is always well controlled....Take that poise and add well controlled anger behind it and Haye is in trouble...As anyone else....

I would like someone to explain to me how Haye manages to keep off an attacking Wlad who is looking just to take his head off?..

Haye isn't that strong and he isn't that good of a counter puncher...Certainly can't rely on his defense...

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Well then it wasnt very good practice. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Kel

We also gotta remember that Wlad, the heavyweight champion of the world, is struggling to get his fights on American TV at the moment!;D

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Haye's not that much better off, Haye Vs. Ruiz wasn't on any American TV network

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Funny how people are talking all the Haye KO's Wlad bullshit yet none want to keep in mind Haye has a soft chin himself and Wlad hits a hell of a lot harder then anything Haye has ever faced....

We have never seen an angry aggressive Wlad...Wlad is always well controlled....Take that poise and add well controlled anger behind it and Haye is in trouble...As anyone else....

I would like someone to explain to me how Haye manages to keep off an attacking Wlad who is looking just to take his head off?..

Haye isn't that strong and he isn't that good of a counter puncher...Certainly can't rely on his defense...

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I'm sorry to say I don't see that happening for at least 10 rounds.

I actually think the fight would be VERY anti climactic. Neither fighter would want to take any risks and Wlad would win with his jab alone.

I know people seem to think it could be a barnburner but I highly highly doubt it. We saw how cautious Haye was against Valuev and Wlad is almost as big and twice as dangerous.

Plus we've seen how cautious Wladimir is agiainst everybody.

They will barely throw a meaningful punch between them for the first 6 rounds imo.

The knockout may come, and it may be brutal, but it will be an end of fight affair like against Tony Thompson or Eddie Chambers imo, Wladmir isn't about to throw caution to the wind and open up on the most dangerous opponent he has faced since Sam Peter until there is literally nothing coming back, just not happening.

And David Haye, for all his macho speak of knocking their heads off knows it's a suicide mission to try and engage head on with them. He'll fight the way he did against Valuev, looking to keep out of the way and dart in and out scoring punches. But Wlad's jab will nullify him and he'll just be like everyone else backed up in the corner and unable to get close.

He may hit a bit harder than most of the other heavies but in terms of beating either Klitschko he brings nothing to the table that the other guys have brought. He'll go the same way.

For the record, the fighter with the best chance to upset them is Odlanier Solis...

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When they were going to fight the first time Wlad said he wanted to take Haye 12 rounds to inflict the maximum long term damage on him. Maybe the Chambers fight was practice for that.

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ha actually I think it could be very similar to that. I do think a devastating ko like that is a possiblity, but I fully expect it to be preceeded by at least 10 rounds of plodding about the ring with Wlad pawing and Haye covering up.

Let's be clear, this isn't going to be anything Vitali against Lennox Lewis as neither Haye or Wlad can stand up those kind of punches against each other, and importantly, they both know it.

It will be cat and mouse, or more likely grass growing.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Kel

We also gotta remember that Wlad, the heavyweight champion of the world, is struggling to get his fights on American TV at the moment!;D

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Haye's not that much better off, Haye Vs. Ruiz wasn't on any American TV network

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But David Haye doesn't live in America though,Wlad has been there for six years his entire second title reign.

Wlad is saying he'll knock Haye out in the 12th round. I don't remember Wlad running his mouth for nothing in the past. I don't think he's doing it now. I think he means what he says and he is saying it to scare Haye and I think Haye better be scared.

My prediction: Wlad will keep his word. Wlad will punish Haye for 11 rounds then Knock him out in the 12th. Unless Haye sees the writing on the wall and quits first. I don't think Haye has the wind to last 12 rounds with someone beating on him, but I can imagine Wlad holding him up 'til the 12th round if Haye fags out on him.

Fighters as good as Ali and the Klits can predict rounds and get it right more often than not.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Kel

We also gotta remember that Wlad, the heavyweight champion of the world, is struggling to get his fights on American TV at the moment!;D

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Haye's not that much better off, Haye Vs. Ruiz wasn't on any American TV network

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But David Haye doesn't live in America though,Wlad has been there for six years his entire second title reign.

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I though Wlad still lived in the Ukraine and fought almost exclusively in Germany.

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Originally Posted by Dave Hughey

Wlad is saying he'll knock Haye out in the 12th round. I don't remember Wlad running his mouth for nothing in the past. I don't think he's doing it now. I think he means what he says and he is saying it to scare Haye and I think Haye better be scared.

My prediction: Wlad will keep his word. Wlad will punish Haye for 11 rounds then Knock him out in the 12th. Unless Haye sees the writing on the wall and quits first. I don't think Haye has the wind to last 12 rounds with someone beating on him, but I can imagine Wlad holding him up 'til the 12th round if Haye fags out on him.

Fighters as good as Ali and the Klits can predict rounds and get it right more often than not.

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Can't believe those two appear in the same sentence?????

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Haye's not that much better off, Haye Vs. Ruiz wasn't on any American TV network

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But David Haye doesn't live in America though,Wlad has been there for six years his entire second title reign.

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I though Wlad still lived in the Ukraine and fought almost exclusively in Germany.

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Beverly Hills I think. You don't get to party and fool around with teenage Disney actresses in the Ukraine :-)

He fights in Germany because nobody in America wants to see him.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by killersheep

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

But David Haye doesn't live in America though,Wlad has been there for six years his entire second title reign.

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I though Wlad still lived in the Ukraine and fought almost exclusively in Germany.

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Beverly Hills I think. You don't get to party and fool around with teenage Disney actresses in the Ukraine :-)

He fights in Germany because nobody in America wants to see him.

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Froch lives, fights, and is from England, yet before the Super Six his fights were rarely shown on TV, your point is?

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Funny how people are talking all the Haye KO's Wlad bullshit yet none want to keep in mind Haye has a soft chin himself and Wlad hits a hell of a lot harder then anything Haye has ever faced....

We have never seen an angry aggressive Wlad...Wlad is always well controlled....Take that poise and add well controlled anger behind it and Haye is in trouble...As anyone else....

I would like someone to explain to me how Haye manages to keep off an attacking Wlad who is looking just to take his head off?..

Haye isn't that strong and he isn't that good of a counter puncher...Certainly can't rely on his defense...

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I'm sorry to say I don't see that happening for at least 10 rounds.

I actually think the fight would be VERY anti climactic. Neither fighter would want to take any risks and Wlad would win with his jab alone.

I know people seem to think it could be a barnburner but I highly highly doubt it. We saw how cautious Haye was against Valuev and Wlad is almost as big and twice as dangerous.

Plus we've seen how cautious Wladimir is agiainst everybody.

They will barely throw a meaningful punch between them for the first 6 rounds imo.

The knockout may come, and it may be brutal, but it will be an end of fight affair like against Tony Thompson or Eddie Chambers imo, Wladmir isn't about to throw caution to the wind and open up on the most dangerous opponent he has faced since Sam Peter until there is literally nothing coming back, just not happening.

And David Haye, for all his macho speak of knocking their heads off knows it's a suicide mission to try and engage head on with them. He'll fight the way he did against Valuev, looking to keep out of the way and dart in and out scoring punches. But Wlad's jab will nullify him and he'll just be like everyone else backed up in the corner and unable to get close.

He may hit a bit harder than most of the other heavies but in terms of beating either Klitschko he brings nothing to the table that the other guys have brought. He'll go the same way.

For the record, the fighter with the best chance to upset them is Odlanier Solis...

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More then likely it will play out that way but speaking in terms of just that what will happen if Wlad goes after him like that? He is a great finisher that we have not seen in a long long time...The Wlad before his KO loss to Sanders was brutal in delivering punishment

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by killersheep

I though Wlad still lived in the Ukraine and fought almost exclusively in Germany.

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Beverly Hills I think. You don't get to party and fool around with teenage Disney actresses in the Ukraine :-)

He fights in Germany because nobody in America wants to see him.

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Froch lives, fights, and is from England, yet before the Super Six his fights were rarely shown on TV, your point is?

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You got it arse backwards son. All of Froch's fights were shown on major TV stations untill the Super Six ;)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Beverly Hills I think. You don't get to party and fool around with teenage Disney actresses in the Ukraine :-)

He fights in Germany because nobody in America wants to see him.

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Froch lives, fights, and is from England, yet before the Super Six his fights were rarely shown on TV, your point is?

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You got it arse backwards son. All of Froch's fights were shown on major TV stations untill the Super Six ;)

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well i remember plenty of you guys bitching that you weren't able to watch Taylor/Froch cause it wasn't being shown on any major station, had to end up watching it on streams :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Froch lives, fights, and is from England, yet before the Super Six his fights were rarely shown on TV, your point is?

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You got it arse backwards son. All of Froch's fights were shown on major TV stations untill the Super Six ;)

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well i remember plenty of you guys bitching that you weren't able to watch Taylor/Froch cause it wasn't being shown on any major station, had to end up watching it on streams :rolleyes:

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Correct. But Boxing in the UK is NOWHERE NEAR as strong as Boxing in the US. Plus it was more of a case that (I believe) ITV pulled the plug on Mick Hennesy the promoter not Carl Froch the fighter. More importantly, ITV have been pretty bad with their commitment to boxing at the best of times, anyway.

What Bilbo posted is right.

Anyway, your point was irrelevant and way off centre, so there :p ;D