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5/1:confused: your bloody jokin arnt u, based on wot exactly:confused: suppose just cos so many bettin on them:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
considering most bookies in the UK have retardedly got england at 5s and have spain and brazil at so low odds also it bloody is;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragoboth germany & italy are good odds i reckon?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
yeah the patriotic betQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago5/1:confused: your bloody jokin arnt u, based on wot exactly:confused: suppose just cos so many bettin on them:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerconsidering most bookies in the UK have retardedly got england at 5s and have spain and brazil at so low odds also it bloody is;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
If england win the WC the bookies get taken to the cleaners
Dont think there is much chance us winning it mate is there?
On another note Torres is out 4 6weeks mite struggle to get fit for Spain.
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Originally Posted by littlebif
Most Spaniards rate Villa over Torres anyway.
They'll just drop Fabregas in behind Villa. If only England had that kind of luxury.
For betting, I like these wagers:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerconsidering most bookies in the UK have retardedly got england at 5s and have spain and brazil at so low odds also it bloody is;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragoboth germany & italy are good odds i reckon?Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
To Win - Italy is the smartest money at 13/1. Germany have two tough games in group, a decent US team in round 2, and Argentina in the Quarters. I like Italy's odds of coming though group clean, not taking care of business in round 2, and picking off Spain MUCH more than I like Germany's chances of doing the same and picking off Argentina. Argentina at 8/1 would be good, except for Maradona.
Finalists - Argentina/Italy is a decent bets at 50/1.
Qualification -
France at 11/4 to not qualify. They could bungle this group easily.
Bet both Australia at 5/2 and Serbia 5/4 to qualify. I can't see Ghana advancing, and the payout is better you bet both Serbia and Australia to advance compared to betting Ghana to fail. I'm also taking at Serbia 4/1 to win group. I give the Serbs a reasonable chance shot to beat Germany. If Germany chokes, you win big and the Serbia to qualify bet covers your longshots.
Switzerland 2/1 to qualify and 11/1 to win. Spain are great, but they can be flaky. Chile are beatable. This is probably the only good bet on a number 3 team in a group.
Denmark 6/5 to qualify and Holland 10/13 to win look solid. I'm not big on either Cameroon or Japan. Denmark have advanced every time they qualified. Denmark 9/2 to win is not a bad idea, either.
spain and england notorious for under performing at world cups as are portugal for over acheivingQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanFor betting, I like these wagers:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerconsidering most bookies in the UK have retardedly got england at 5s and have spain and brazil at so low odds also it bloody is;D;D;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Drago
To Win - Italy is the smartest money at 13/1. Germany have two tough games in group, a decent US team in round 2, and Argentina in the Quarters. I like Italy's odds of coming though group clean, not taking care of business in round 2, and picking off Spain MUCH more than I like Germany's chances of doing the same and picking off Argentina. Argentina at 8/1 would be good, except for Maradona.
Finalists - Argentina/Germany and Argentina/Italy are decent bets at 50/1.
Qualification -
France at 11/4 to not qualify. They could bungle this group easily.
Bet both Australia at 5/2 and Serbia 5/4 to qualify. I can't see Ghana advancing, and the payout is better you bet both Serbia and Australia to advance compared to betting Ghana to fail. I'm also taking at Serbia 4/1 to win group. I give the Serbs a reasonable chance shot to beat Germany. If Germany chokes, you win big and the Serbia to qualify bet covers your longshots.
Switzerland 2/1 to qualify and 11/1 to win. Spain are great, but they can be flaky. Chile are beatable. This is probably the only good bet on a number 3 team in a group.
Denmark 6/5 to qualify and Holland 10/13 to win look solid. I'm not big on either Cameroon or Japan. Denmark have advanced every time they qualified. Denmark 9/2 to win is not a bad idea, either.
Expecting the status quo this year also
Are about as good as Northern Ireland.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerQuote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
so true
brazil and spain have to be favourites to meet in the final. Write off the italians and germans at your peril
to win the world cup
Italy 13/1
Germany 13/1
to qualify from group
Ghana 5/4
ivory coast 5/4
to reach quarter finals
ivory coast 11/4
south africa 11/2
Eventhough I am not spanish I would....I think Torres is great and all but Villa is amazing. Villa propelled Spain to win the Euro's. Torres only had 1 goal and that was when he came on for Villa, other than that he was crap during that time.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMattyQuote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Most Spaniards rate Villa over Torres anyway.
They'll just drop Fabregas in behind Villa. If only England had that kind of luxury.
I just think Villa plays well regardless of who is around him whereas Torres doesn't really play well with others: Crouch, Kuyt, Babel, Keane, etc....he's not really "clicked" with anyone I've seen him play with. Meanwhile Villa doesn't just score goals, he sets up his teammates for goals too.
Capello should take Zamora. Heskey is finished and Zamora would be a good compliment to Rooney.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMattyQuote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Most Spaniards rate Villa over Torres anyway.
They'll just drop Fabregas in behind Villa. If only England had that kind of luxury.
Darren Bent and Gabriel Agbonlahor are the best two English strikers behind Rooney and Defoe IMO. How not even one of them are not on that plane I'll never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanCapello should take Zamora. Heskey is finished and Zamora would be a good compliment to Rooney.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMattyQuote:
Originally Posted by littlebif
Most Spaniards rate Villa over Torres anyway.
They'll just drop Fabregas in behind Villa. If only England had that kind of luxury.
God knows why he takes Carlton Cole and Emile Heskey is just useless. I can see why he takes Crouch, offers us something different up front especially with his height.
From an outsiders perspective, England doesn't underperform as much as you think. They are often not as good as the English think they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerspain and england notorious for under performing at world cups as are portugal for over acheivingQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanFor betting, I like these wagers:Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammer
To Win - Italy is the smartest money at 13/1. Germany have two tough games in group, a decent US team in round 2, and Argentina in the Quarters. I like Italy's odds of coming though group clean, not taking care of business in round 2, and picking off Spain MUCH more than I like Germany's chances of doing the same and picking off Argentina. Argentina at 8/1 would be good, except for Maradona.
Finalists - Argentina/Germany and Argentina/Italy are decent bets at 50/1.
Qualification -
France at 11/4 to not qualify. They could bungle this group easily.
Bet both Australia at 5/2 and Serbia 5/4 to qualify. I can't see Ghana advancing, and the payout is better you bet both Serbia and Australia to advance compared to betting Ghana to fail. I'm also taking at Serbia 4/1 to win group. I give the Serbs a reasonable chance shot to beat Germany. If Germany chokes, you win big and the Serbia to qualify bet covers your longshots.
Switzerland 2/1 to qualify and 11/1 to win. Spain are great, but they can be flaky. Chile are beatable. This is probably the only good bet on a number 3 team in a group.
Denmark 6/5 to qualify and Holland 10/13 to win look solid. I'm not big on either Cameroon or Japan. Denmark have advanced every time they qualified. Denmark 9/2 to win is not a bad idea, either.
Expecting the status quo this year also
Portugal overachieve? They certainly underperformed in 2002. In 2006 they won a weak group, picked off good but not great Holland team, and won on penalties to an England team that included a hobbled Beckham and an immature and injured Wayne Rooney. Lennon was still a kid, and Crouch wasn't the player then that he is now. Then they lost to French geriatrics. I don't think Portugal overachieved much. This year, Portugal isn't as strong as the 2006 and they have a tougher group. They might not make it out of group phase.
In 2006, England won a strong group, beat a good Ecuador team, and lost to a VERY good Portugal team on penalties. They had a difficult draw for both the group and the knockout phase. England fans expected Rooney to be then what he is now, and they though they belonged in the finals. No. They weren't that good.
With or without Lennon and Ashley Cole, this team is better than the 06 team. They don't have a Beckham distraction. They have more depth at Forward by far, and even if Lennon can't go, Ashley Young is an excellent alternative. Lampard and Gerrard are still strong. They have a favorable group, and although they probably have a tough 2rd round game, they will probably get a soft opponent in the Quarters.
If England get bounced before the Semi's this year, call them underachievers. This is the best team you've had in a long time, and you have a good draw. You could realistically win this thing. Unfortunately, England goes to the Semi's and loses a close game, you'll cry can call them underachievers anyway.
He needs to take Zamora in case something happens to Crouch. Rooney needs a big holding CF in a 442. You want to have that option, and you are right, Cole and Heskey need to stay home. If you are going to dump Cole and Heskey, you need Zamora to take that role. I would take Rooney, Defoe, Crouch, Zamora, and either Agbanlahor or Bent. This gives the best combination of talent and effective pairing options.Quote:
Originally Posted by The RascalDarren Bent and Gabriel Agbonlahor are the best two English strikers behind Rooney and Defoe IMO. How not even one of them are not on that plane I'll never know.Quote:
Originally Posted by RozzySeanCapello should take Zamora. Heskey is finished and Zamora would be a good compliment to Rooney.Quote:
Originally Posted by FTMatty
God knows why he takes Carlton Cole and Emile Heskey is just useless. I can see why he takes Crouch, offers us something different up front especially with his height.
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Originally Posted by RozzySeanFrom an outsiders perspective, England doesn't underperform as much as you think. They are often not as good as the English think they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by hattonthehammerspain and england notorious for under performing at world cups as are portugal for over acheivingQuote:
Originally Posted by RozzySean
Expecting the status quo this year also
Portugal overachieve? They certainly underperformed in 2002. In 2006 they won a weak group, picked off good but not great Holland team, and won on penalties to an England team that included a hobbled Beckham and an immature and injured Wayne Rooney. Lennon was still a kid, and Crouch wasn't the player then that he is now. Then they lost to French geriatrics. I don't think Portugal overachieved much. This year, Portugal isn't as strong as the 2006 and they have a tougher group. They might not make it out of group phase.
In 2006, England won a strong group, beat a good Ecuador team, and lost to a VERY good Portugal team on penalties. They had a difficult draw for both the group and the knockout phase. England fans expected Rooney to be then what he is now, and they though they belonged in the finals. No. They weren't that good.
With or without Lennon and Ashley Cole, this team is better than the 06 team. They don't have a Beckham distraction. They have more depth at Forward by far, and even if Lennon can't go, Ashley Young is an excellent alternative. Lampard and Gerrard are still strong. They have a favorable group, and although they probably have a tough 2rd round game, they will probably get a soft opponent in the Quarters.
If England get bounced before the Semi's this year, call them underachievers. This is the best team you've had in a long time, and you have a good draw. You could realistically win this thing. Unfortunately, England goes to the Semi's and loses a close game, you'll cry can call them underachievers anyway.
cant argue with that, very good posting
We do indeed build ourselves up to be knocked right down.
Just look at the attack of spain, villa, torres, iniesta, xavi - we`ve got match that with peter crouch and emile heskey:11fb8:
Wouldn't waste your money mate. You'll get relatively shit odds because the team on paper looks much better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
For Argentina, Messi is half the player he is for Barca. Infact i was reading an article in 4-4-2 and according to a poll in Argentina around 3/4's of Argentinian fans believed Messi's form at Barca to be a 'fluke' simply because he cannot turn it on for Argentina.
They don't retain the ball well at all so it means that Messi can not be effective in the final third as he has little support once he gets there. They are also likely to play with Otamendi at right back, who is really a centre back. This means he won't be over-lapping Messi much like Dani Alves does at Barca. Another reason why Messi isn't as effective.
So in short, i wouldn't waste your money. ;)
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Originally Posted by onoWouldn't waste your money mate. You'll get relatively shit odds because the team on paper looks much better than it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
For Argentina, Messi is half the player he is for Barca. Infact i was reading an article in 4-4-2 and according to a poll in Argentina around 3/4's of Argentinian fans believed Messi's form at Barca to be a 'fluke' simply because he cannot turn it on for Argentina.
They don't retain the ball well at all so it means that Messi can not be effective in the final third as he has little support once he gets there. They are also likely to play with Otamendi at right back, who is really a centre back. This means he won't be over-lapping Messi much like Dani Alves does at Barca. Another reason why Messi isn't as effective.
So in short, i wouldn't waste your money. ;)
absoloutely no value betting that, id rather just stick a pound on the lottery than back an argentina coached by maddona