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Hard to say, Pavlik has a rematch clause with Martinez, Martinez has one with Paul Williams, HBO wants (or wanted?) Bute-Pavlik.... I think it might happen but not in a close future as there is a lot of clouds and potential rematches over there before the Aussies might have a shot at Martinez. Probably that in the end, it's all gonna go down to money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Themantonio
I knew Martinez would beat Pavlik.
He was just stylistically all wrong for him. A fighter who moves well and has superior speed will always cause hell of Pavlik. Pavliks power is a non factor when he can't sit down on his shots.
I watched a stream but from what i seen, Pavlik had a seriously tough time landing on Martinez who appeared to be quite hittable against Williams. I think Williams long reach, faster pressure and speed caused Martinez trouble.
I will give the fight another watch later. I might of missed something because of the stream.
Pavlik was very gracious after the fight and freely admitted he had been taken apart by the better man. He showed real class and may have won over some fans in losing. The thing is, however, that I believe I heard him say something between rounds that implied he was thinking of quiting. I hope not because if quit is in his DNA, he is in for some bad times. I don't see a rematch here--I see him moving up to Supermiddleweight where he has a decent shot of beating a few out there like Abraham and The Dane based on styles making fights, but he had better stay away from the likes of Ward, Dirrell, and especially Bute. He now needs to make serious decisons about his future. One more loss, and he is in dire straits career-wise. First thing I would do is get rid of my cut man. Second thing I'd do is work on my stance and ability to counter punch. Bottomline: Kelly Pavlik is no longer the next big thing in boxing. He still could be, but after Lockett, Old man Hopkins, Rubio, the terribly mismatched Espino, and now this loss to a super fighter whose uinusual style was no big secret coming in, Pavlik is badly in need of life support. That is all.
I just rewatched the fight.
Pavlik did far better than i realised the first time. He actually had some success with his counter jab and he was able to land his right hand occasionally in the middle rounds. Unforenately for him, the cut occured and it was all seriously down hill from there.
Pavlik should exercise his rematch clause. I'm not saying he will win a rematch but he would likely do much in a second fight.
Shouldn't Williams be the new champion, he earned the right and would have beaten this Pavlik.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Williams lost to Martinez and got the gift decision.
Williams is much easier to hit than Martinez, and a bit chinny IMO.
It is unfair to Martinez to just assume that Williams could have done what he did last night.
I think your bang on there. Williams and Martinez fought neck and neck almost the whole way through, but I thought Martinez pulled it out by a round or two quite clearly in the end, although calling it a gift is a stretch. Either way, Martinez has now fought Williams and Pavlik back to back without ever being in real trouble. Williams got clocked badly in the 1st by Sergio and was damn lucky it was the end of that round, he was also getting tagged all the way through. There's no question Pavlik hits harder than either of the two, you'd have to give him a much better shot at stopping Williams, who incidently doesn't move nearly as well as Martinez and is easier to hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by HulkI disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Williams lost to Martinez and got the gift decision.
Williams is much easier to hit than Martinez, and a bit chinny IMO.
It is unfair to Martinez to just assume that Williams could have done what he did last night.
I think the announcers were giving Pavlik too much credit in the mid rounds saying he won like 5 in a row, I disagreed, he did win a few, but not THAT many. Overall, good fight. I really wanted to see Miranda win; I was really disappointed about that :/
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http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o...ioMartinez.jpg
Martinez is brilliant and has been since beating Saul Roman which IMO is when he bounced back into the radar with that win.
Since then he never let off, the pic of he and I is after he beat Bunema.
Really cool guy...
Anyone lucky enough to get a picture with CutMeMick is okay in my book.
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Originally Posted by holmcall
Is that what he said? LOL
"I was taken apart by the better man." -- Kelly Pavlik
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Originally Posted by BoxingGorilla
I've been impressed with Martinez for awhile, more so since about the Bunema fight... I thought Pavlik would win this encounter but I'm glad I was wrong. You can now mark me down officially as a full on Martinez supporter & fan!!!
Why is PW soo low? Is it because he has 2 fights at middleweight? If so why is Martinez just bumped up. Those rankings are retarded at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
hahaha retarded, we actually have a very involved system which has resulted in these rankings. Glad to see that you consider over a years work of over 10 members based on the initial view of the entire forum retarded. But there is a system, there is a reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestWhy is PW soo low? Is it because he has 2 fights at middleweight? If so why is Martinez just bumped up. Those rankings are retarded at best.Quote:
Originally Posted by killersheep
Williams wins at 160
Kolle - Unranked
Wright - Ranked #7 (which gains his spot)
Martinez - Unranked at middleweight when he fought there.
Martinez - #1 at 154 beat Pavlik #1 at 160 to take the championship.
To move up in rank in our system you have to beat someone ranked higher or fight someone ranked to get bumped up, Williams has not done that hence his rank at #7.
I can justify through our system the rank of every single person on that list. This isn't some arbitrary p4p ranking.
Your move sir show your non-retarded middleweight rankings, else it's just talk.