Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Originally Posted by
miles
I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?
They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.
I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Originally Posted by
miles
I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?
They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.
I agree that there should be a neutral venue..
but, i disagree that 117-111 is iffy, just because it was a fight with a lot of close rounds.. you give two of the close rounds that that judge gave Kessler, to Froch, you have a 115-113 fight.. Froch didn't do much the entire fight, besides landing an eye-catching shot maybe 3 times throughout the fight.. Kessler pushed the fight, and if there were no major blows in the round, or anyone getting hurt, then he will get the round because he's making the fight a fight.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Originally Posted by
miles
I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?
They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.
Careful. Common sense is frowned upon in these parts.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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ICB
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Originally Posted by
miles
I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?
They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.
I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.
That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
ICB
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Originally Posted by
miles
I don't blame him. Why should it be in Germany?
They should prepare a neutral venue if both fighters can't agree on the location. Every fight has gone the home fighters way and Froch knows he's out if anything goes wrong. In Germany he will be docked points, especially if he tries to make it a rough fight. Anywhere borderline low and AA will be holding his belly and warnings will be dished out. Fighting there will be a risk for Froch and going on that iffy scorecard against Kessler (117-111) I don't blame Froch for fearing the worst.
I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.
That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.
That's the thing, it's easy to blame Froch when the actual root of the problem lies with dodgy judging which shows a bias to the house fighter. It's gone on for too long. You can't blame a fighter for not wanting to work his arse off in a 10 week training camp knowing full well he's going to get screwed at the end.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
I can't stand Froch but more I think about it it sould be in neutral location seeing as this is meant to be a fair tournament and all.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Bomp
I can't stand Froch but more I think about it it sould be in neutral location seeing as this is meant to be a fair tournament and all.
Exactly. The only problem is finding a neutral venue that is feasible for Froch and Abraham, not to mention their respective fans. Does the fight hold enough interest for it to be stateside? It's a tough one.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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ono
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Originally Posted by
miles
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ICB
I suppose Nottingham was a fair venue for Andre Dirrell, Carl Froch wasn't treated unfairly in Denmark at all. And i don't think those scorecards, were that wide personally.
That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.
That's the thing, it's easy to blame Froch when the actual root of the problem lies with dodgy judging which shows a bias to the house fighter. It's gone on for too long. You can't blame a fighter for not wanting to work his arse off in a 10 week training camp knowing full well he's going to get screwed at the end.
Exactly, it's the judges and also the referees who are just not doing an effective and impartial job. It's almost like they are acting in the interests of the home side because that's where the gate has come from and it shouldn't be like that. It's easy to say Froch should just shut up, grit his teeth and have to fight not only AA but also the officials, but it shouldn't need to be that way.
Froch should make a point of this. All the evidence suggests that it won't be impartial, so he would be silly not to stand up for himself before it all gets decided regardless.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Originally Posted by
miles
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Originally Posted by
ono
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Originally Posted by
miles
That's why I suggested a neutral venue and will further add that it should perhaps involve judges and a referee both fighters feel comfortable with. I think Froch beat Dirrell myself, but I'm well aware that many disagree. Hometown fighters do seem to be getting away with things. Abraham knocked Dirrell down and got nothing. Ward fought using mainly his head as a battering ram and clinched non stop and again no penalty. The tournament has been very dodgy in some regards.
That's the thing, it's easy to blame Froch when the actual root of the problem lies with dodgy judging which shows a bias to the house fighter. It's gone on for too long. You can't blame a fighter for not wanting to work his arse off in a 10 week training camp knowing full well he's going to get screwed at the end.
Exactly, it's the judges and also the referees who are just not doing an effective and impartial job. It's almost like they are acting in the interests of the home side because that's where the gate has come from and it shouldn't be like that. It's easy to say Froch should just shut up, grit his teeth and have to fight not only AA but also the officials, but it shouldn't need to be that way.
Froch should make a point of this. All the evidence suggests that it won't be impartial, so he would be silly not to stand up for himself before it all gets decided regardless.
The referee in the Kessler-Froch fight was excellent, he didn't favour either man. Also the ref in the Abraham-Dirrell fight didn't favour either man, he just made a complete mess of everything.
Of all the fighters who've been screwed in some way so far, Froch has had by far the easiest ride. I'd like Froch-Abraham in a neutral venue, but I doubt it sells in America (the only place it would is in Califiornia where it would be like a home fight for AA), but I suspect Froch will see anywhere in mainland Europe as being in Abraham's favour.
One thing is that it's too big a fight for the Trent FM arena, & I'm not sure Froch could guarantee to fill the city ground in the same way AA can with the O2 in Berlin.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
It's a toughie, no way enough interest stateside, and do they actually have enough followers to fill a decent 10,000 seater minimum in France (or neutral Switzerland)? Boxing seems to be huge in Germany but don't think there are enough hardcore Abraham fans who'd actually travel, sam goes for Froch. Most likely be in Germany economically and due to the fact Fat Miuck can't organise a piss up in a brewery, but if there's a decent American ref and officials then that might be fine.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
Get a good ref like Weeks or Bayless, although Froch might still get screwed by the German judges, but then again who is he to complained after getting a gift in England against Dirrel?
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.
Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Fenster
You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.
Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...
Froch can't sell shit IN his home country
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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JazMerkin
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Fenster
You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.
Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...
Froch can't sell shit IN his home country
Which is a shame! He's fought 4 very tough fights on the trot, more than any other British fighter and still he is struggling for recognition. It's not as though he has a boring style nor is unwilling to face the best. It's unfortunate.
Re: Froch: I'll Quit The Super Six if the Abraham fight is in Germany
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Originally Posted by
JazMerkin
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Originally Posted by
Fenster
You guys need to forget this neutral venue palaver. Both these guys are not superstars. They can't sell shit outside their home countries.
Do you think the promoters will risk losing money instead of a making a gaurantee profit for the sake of fair play? Fucks sake...
Froch can't sell shit IN his home country
Exactly. The only promotions that go to neutral territory invlove Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Tyson - guys who are among the most famous men on Earth.
Remember there is no title on the line for Froch-Abraham. I'm sure Showtime can get three American judges and American ref to ease the fear of "robbery."
