Saddo's Pound For Pound Voting (Summer 2010) voting open till May 31st

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Wladimir
4.Martinez
5.Ward
6.Mosley
7.Hopkins
8.Bute
9.Bradley
10.Adamek

i'd say somewhere around there

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If Haye doesn't make it in to the top how does Adamek?

And who has Bute beat to justify being number 8?

And where is J M Marquez? Or Paul Williams who beat your number 4 last time out?

This is a shitty list :D

B-Hop should be dropped a bit lower, he's fought two bad fights in a row. Against a shot fighter and another against a mediocre unknown fighter. I'd replace David Haye with Tomasz Adamek or Fernando Montiel, and Sergio Martinez is too high. Yes he's had some unlucky decision's. But still one win over Kelly Pavlik who's just about top 20 P4P, doesn't make him that high.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

i don't see how the hell Haye could be top 10 p4p without both Klitschko's being ahead of him, both have better resumes

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Because I'm viewing his cruiserweight acomplishents as well. Name me a single other fighter who has been an undisputed world champ unifying the belts in one division, and then moved up and won a world title in the next weight class up, and who WASN'T in the p4p as a result?

What you're basically arguing is that J M Marquez shouldn't be in the p4p because his last fight was at welter and he clearly got dominated. If you think he deserves to be there you must do so on the basis of his acomplishments outside of welterweight, and hence your contradicting yourself.

If it's a p4p ranking, then Hayes acomplishments in the lower weight classes must count too.,

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Corey Spinks

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No he didn't he was undisputed welterweight champ for a couple fights but was then knocked out by Zab Judah before moving up.

Had he beaten Zab both times and then moved up and won another title you can guarantee he would have been in the p4p top 10.

Actually I can't remember that far back, but I'm pretty sure he was there when he beat Zab first time anway.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Wladimir
4.Martinez
5.Ward
6.Mosley
7.Hopkins
8.Bute
9.Bradley
10.Adamek

i'd say somewhere around there

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If Haye doesn't make it in to the top how does Adamek?

And who has Bute beat to justify being number 8?

And where is J M Marquez? Or Paul Williams who beat your number 4 last time out?

This is a shitty list :D

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Bute has wins over Andrade, Bika, Miranda just to name a few

Adamek has been a champion in 2 weight classes just like Haye, yet he already has a better resume than Haye at HW, Adamek's 3rd weight class

JMM is fighting Juan Diaz again, Malignaggi just took Diaz to school, if i was to take anyone out to put Marquez back in it would be Hopkins who looked done in his last fight

Williams just barely beat Martinez, and Martinez went on to become the lineal Middleweight champion of the world in his very next fight

i totally forgot about tomasz adamek. he's got to be included there in the mix.

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

1.Mayweather
2.Pacquiao
3.Wladimir
4.Martinez
5.Ward
6.Mosley
7.Hopkins
8.Bute
9.Bradley
10.Adamek

i'd say somewhere around there

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If Haye doesn't make it in to the top how does Adamek?

And who has Bute beat to justify being number 8?

And where is J M Marquez? Or Paul Williams who beat your number 4 last time out?

This is a shitty list :D

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Bute has wins over Andrade, Bika, Miranda just to name a few

Adamek has been a champion in 2 weight classes just like Haye, yet he already has a better resume than Haye at HW, Adamek's 3rd weight class

JMM is fighting Juan Diaz again, Malignaggi just took Diaz to school, if i was to take anyone out to put Marquez back in it would be Hopkins who looked done in his last fight

Williams just barely beat Martinez, and Martinez went on to become the lineal Middleweight champion of the world in his very next fight

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How does Adamek have a better resume than Haye at heavyweight? Haye beat Valuev who to my understanding was rated number 3 in the world, Arreola has never held a belt and lost every round in his world title challenge before being stopped.

And Haye beat THE man at cruiserweight so his resume is better there too.

Adamek also lost a lopsided decision to Chad Dawson only a couple of years ago.

Marquez is still p4p, many thought he beat Pacquaio only a couple years ago and since then knocked out Casamayor and Juan Diaz. Floyd was well over his natural weight limit.

Williams has to be higher than Martinez considering he beat him.

I calculate my P4P lists differently based more on talent then accomplishments. Of course accomplishments are factored in but honestly these are who I believe the 10 best fighters in boxing are who are at least champions. Guys with more accomplishments (Marquez, Bradley) though are given the benefit of a higher position.

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Timothy Bradley
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Paul Williams
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Andre Ward
8. Juanma Lopez
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Chad Dawson
11. Nonito Donaire
12. Lucian Bute
13. Fernando Montiel
14. Chris John
15. Celistino Caballero
16. Yohnny Perez
17. Shane Mosley
18. Poonsawat Kraetingdaenggym (the best fighter from Thailand in the last 10 years imo even though I haven't seen his last fight)
19. Arthur Abraham (I have him ahead of Dirrell because I think he beats more fighters then Dirrell)
20. Miguel Cotto

You could pretty much arrange 4-20 however way you want to imo.

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Originally Posted by amat

I calculate my P4P lists differently based more on talent then accomplishments. Of course accomplishments are factored in but honestly these are who I believe the 10 best fighters in boxing are who are at least champions. Guys with more accomplishments (Marquez, Bradley) though are given the benefit of a higher position.

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Timothy Bradley
4. Juan Manuel Marquez
5. Paul Williams
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Andre Ward
8. Juanma Lopez
9. Wladimir Klitschko
10. Chad Dawson
11. Nonito Donaire
12. Lucian Bute
13. Fernando Montiel
14. Chris John
15. Celistino Caballero
16. Yohnny Perez
17. Shane Mosley
18. Poonsawat Kraetingdaenggym (the best fighter from Thailand in the last 10 years imo even though I haven't seen his last fight)
19. Arthur Abraham (I have him ahead of Dirrell because I think he beats more fighters then Dirrell)
20. Miguel Cotto

You could pretty much arrange 4-20 however way you want to imo.

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I like this list but you are damn big on Bradley. I'm not confident he will even be champ at 140 past 2010 to be honest.

I think Devon Alexander gives him fits. He'd not compete at welter either imo.

I think you're overating him a lot. Even Amir beats him imo.

No way. I'd say Bradley behind Pacquiao is the most rapidly improving boxer in boxing. You look at him versus Peterson and him versus Witter and it's two completely different fighters. He's the ultimate volume punching guy these days and he would absolutely drown Amir Khan. Khan doesn't have any seasoning, Bradley's whole style is to expose that.

I've been as high on Alexander as anyone but Bradley is a tall task I hope that fight happens.

What's sad is Valero would have been high on my list and I also thought of him as one of the most improving fighters, probably right behind Bradley.

It is very weak the top 10 right now if you ask me but here is my attempt.

1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Manny Pacquiao
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Chad Dawson
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Paul Williams
7. Wlad Klit
8. Shane Mosley
9. Sergio Martinez
10. Timothy Bradley

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Floyd Mayweather
3) David Haye
4) Wlad Klitscho
5) Berto
6) Dawson
7) Mosley
8) Paul Williams
9) Marquez
10) Bradley
11) Cotto


I'm getting a bit of a mental block and keep changing my mind, so I'll come back and finish the top 20 before the deadline. If Khan knocks out Paulie in style, I think he will get in my top 10.

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Originally Posted by 0james0

1) Manny Pacquiao
2) Floyd Mayweather
3) David Haye
4) Wlad Klitscho
5) Berto
6) Dawson
7) Mosley
8) Paul Williams
9) Marquez
10) Bradley
11) Cotto


I'm getting a bit of a mental block and keep changing my mind, so I'll come back and finish the top 20 before the deadline. If Khan knocks out Paulie in style, I think he will get in my top 10.

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Question: How can you put Haye infront of K when he hasn't prove much yet in the HW division?:confused:

1. Floyd Mayweather
1. Manny Pacquaio
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. J M Marquez
5. Paul Williams
6. Sergio Martinez
7. Chad Dawson
8. Shane Mosley
9. Celestino Cabellero
10.David Haye.

That is the official list, anything is just wrong.

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Originally Posted by Nameless

Question: How can you put Haye infront of K when he hasn't prove much yet in the HW division?:confused:

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Good question, one I pondered myself before putting them in.

The answer: Because I based it on who I think is better right now, K is proven, but I think if/ when the two meet Haye will win, so I simply can't put K before Haye if I think he is not as good.

I genuinely rate Haye (without fanboyism) and think at any weight he would have done well.

I thought I would have got more stick for Berto at 5th, or even the fact that Williams managed to wangle some shades from his 8th place ;)