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Mate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Mayweather isnt a big a draw as he thinks. He is a slick/highly skilled boxer with NO killer instinct which translates to a wide (boring) unanimous decision. Purists can enjoy a good boxing clinic but most people and especially casual fans want knockouts. Personally I would rather watch Pacquaio fight than Mayweather and I am an American.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
he must be a big enough draw to make a million buy minimum ppv despite whoever he's facing especially when so many try to play down his wins over (as they put it) an old lightweight, and an old man (period), so if his opposition is as bad as most say, these people must be buying the PPV just to see FloydQuote:
Originally Posted by HunterMayweather isnt a big a draw as he thinks. He is a slick/highly skilled boxer with NO killer instinct which translates to a wide (boring) unanimous decision. Purists can enjoy a good boxing clinic but most people and especially casual fans want knockouts. Personally I would rather watch Pacquaio fight than Mayweather and I am an American.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Yup, and that must have come as something on an embarrassment for 'Money' May to realise that a lot of American agrees with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunterMayweather isnt a big a draw as he thinks. He is a slick/highly skilled boxer with NO killer instinct which translates to a wide (boring) unanimous decision. Purists can enjoy a good boxing clinic but most people and especially casual fans want knockouts. Personally I would rather watch Pacquaio fight than Mayweather and I am an American.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
I imagine Floyd was expecting at least 2.5 million, now you could argue that even in America he's not the biggest HBO draw.
Ok, we still haven't actually had any official figures because HBO haven't had all the results in yet. It's currently at 1.2m, but those are incomplete figures, HBO expect it to do 1.4m once all the figures are in.
Anyway, people are missing the key factor here which is demographics. Most boxing fans for some reason will always try to find a way to avoid paying (at least the full price) for a fight and will resort to streams. So what all the fighters then have to rely on is that they can bring in enough casual fans. Most of these come from their particular demographic. So Oscar was always able to rely on the Mexican-American community, Trinidad had the Puerto Ricans and Manny has the Pinoy community (I'd argue the status his fights carry in this community even outdo Oscar's among Latinos). Mayweather has a big following among the black community, as well as other young, urban demographics. However, the problem is that the small, non-boxing fanbase that Mosley has is within the same demographic. This is why I always thought it was fanciful that this would do so well. It also demonstrates that a PBF-Pac matchup will do much better as it will bring in two differing fanbases as well as the casual fans who would be interested to just see this one fight.
I don't think you can say either is definitively a bigger star, which is why they should agree on a 50-50 split.
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Originally Posted by JazMerkin
very good point here
a hell of a lot of the US boxing audience is of south american or otherwise, 2 guys who basically appeal to the same market with one of which being the clear odds on favourite equates to a lower audience than expected
So what demographic were buying the Pacquaio Cotto fight? I doubt many Filipino's and Puerto Ricans can afford PPV?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
very good point here
a hell of a lot of the US boxing audience is of south american or otherwise, 2 guys who basically appeal to the same market with one of which being the clear odds on favourite equates to a lower audience than expected
Yes those in the Phillipines can't afford it, but Filipino-Americans are one of the wealthiest ethnic groups, whilst Puerto Rico is a far wealthier country than you probably realize. PPV buys in Puerto Rico, in addition to the Puerto Ricans in the mainland US, would contribute well, as they did when Trinidad was a fighter. I did an essay on PPV sales in boxing & wrestling in my Master's course, so I discovered just how important ethnic demographics are to PPV buys. Arum has been a master at managing it with Oscar with Mexicans, Pacquiao with Filipinos & Cotto/Juanma with Puerto Ricans. It's one of the major criticisms of him that he wouldn't generally bother trying to make stars of black fighters, because he believed there to be no major fanbase there, something that has obviously been proven wrong. It's also why he was so committed to trying to turn Pavlik into a huge boxing star - the biggest consumer demographic available.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboSo what demographic were buying the Pacquaio Cotto fight? I doubt many Filipino's and Puerto Ricans can afford PPV?Quote:
Originally Posted by HattonTheHammerQuote:
Originally Posted by JazMerkin
very good point here
a hell of a lot of the US boxing audience is of south american or otherwise, 2 guys who basically appeal to the same market with one of which being the clear odds on favourite equates to a lower audience than expected
Those are excellent numbers. Mosley has never been a star. They highlight just how big Floyd is.
They only look poor if you think 3-4 million was ever serious. Which is wasn't.
From what I gather those numbers by the UFC may be fudge up a little bit since they are not a publicly traded company like Time Warner Cable which owns HBO. So HBO has to release their numbers accurately unless they want an investigation. The UFC on the other hand just states whatever figures they have coming from White's mouth. These UFC numbers from my knowledge are not confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Big difference.
pacquiao-Cotto did 1.24-1.25 that number is a farce.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nameless
Not to mention its not like were comparing random PPV events from both sports. This is not putting anything in perspective. UFC 100 was built and planned to be historical. UFC 100 was the most stacked card in UFC history and the PPV buys is the most successful in MMA history. So were comparing the stand alone best card from MMA to one good matchup in boxing in which one guy is not a draw. Do we want to compare Mayweather/De la Hoya to a random UFC event? Even the historical UFC 100 got doubled by boxing's best. Bottom line is any PPV event that does 1 million+ buys is very successful. Its not even a good hate job to say otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogFrom what I gather those numbers by the UFC may be fudge up a little bit since they are not a publicly traded company like Time Warner Cable which owns HBO. So HBO has to release their numbers accurately unless they want an investigation. The UFC on the other hand just states whatever figures they have coming from White's mouth. These UFC numbers from my knowledge are not confirmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboMate that is a really poor show. These are the best two American fighters in the world, fighting on the best American network and a Filipino and a Peurto Rican did a bigger PPV buy IN AMERICA than they did.Quote:
Originally Posted by piye
It really puts into stark contrast how unpopular a draw Shane Mosley was, and that Floyd needs a dancing partner to make big money.
To put it into perspective Brock Lesnar vs Frank Mir 2 took 1.5 million Buys.
:-X
Big difference.
Firstly the PAcman Cotto fight did 1.25 milll not 1.6 and secondly these are not confirmed numbers so we are all jumping the gun a little bit here.