Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as
El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them.
Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs
another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
Cotto can easily make Angulo look bad but I have a hard time seeing Cotto's chin keeping up. If 154 is a better weight for Cotto than maybe his stamina will last. Also, having Emmanuel Steward in the corner is only going to be a plus so there are a bunch of variables that can change my mind.
You know what, we all know Angulo has one hell of a chin but someone mentioned it earlier, how would he deal with Cotto's body shots. I don't know, now i'm going back and forth with this fight. I'll just leave me final verdict as a toss up fight...
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
Cotto outboxes him to a decision and I also think he puts a few dents in Angulo.
He either stuns him or hurts him to the body int he fight...
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
cotto will beat the bircks of this guy, hes way to strong for him, angulo will eat to many hard punches, hes not readdy for cotto
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
Rantcatrat
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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Originally Posted by
amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as
El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them.
Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but
he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs
another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
Cotto should win this fight by outboxing him but Angulo definitely has one punch ko power. Watch his clips of some of his earlier fights. Even his last two fights he KO'd Julio and Yorgey with one punch.
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
cotto way to strong for angulo? lol...hardly. remember, cotto is going to be the naturally smaller guy. cotto might be able to outbox angulo but do you really think cotto can take angulo's punches for 12 rounds.? he might be able to but it's going to be tough cause if cotto thought margarito hit hard and came forward, he's going to get the same dose from an even bigger angulo.
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
Total flip flop in styles with Angulo compared to Foreman.As well as blunt usage of natural size and time campaigned at weight.Good news for Cotto is that IF he has retained his legs over time and ability to box he can play window washer on face first and somewhat unimaginative Angulo for awhile...bad news is from what I've seen as of late he has not and will have to fight Angulo off as it deepens and as exchanges grow.Shot for shot I just dont see Cotto out dueling Angulo and can see Angulos deceptively accurate inside shots taxing Cotto tremendously.Both can be cut up but while Angulo shows feet of led at times I dont think Cotto can field his best incoming and keep his legs.He dont have the freshness,fight or flight mentality nor the range of Cintron.And Cintron does not have Cottos heart and fighters instinct.He'll have to trade at some point and I go with Angulo coming from behind to tko Cotto.
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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blegit
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ElTerribleMorales
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Rantcatrat
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ElTerribleMorales
if Cintron and Julio were able to outbox Angulo, IMO Cotto makes him look more one dimensional than he already is
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Originally Posted by
amat
I understand that believe me and I'm not a Margarito defender, but I'm just trying to make my point about Angulo. If you believe it was a plastered Margarito that beat Cotto and Cintron, then I don't believe Angulo is better or as good as a plastered Margarito. That's my only point, just because he was from the same camp and is a pressure fighter like Margarito doesn't mean he's going to do the job effectively.
This match-up turns on whether Cotto can still take a punch and how easily he cuts. Angulo knows only one way to fight or as
El Terrible says: he is one dimensional. However, Angulo can drop bombs and I'm not sure Cotto can withstand them.
Even against Foreman who is not a puncher in any sense of the word, a few of his straight right hands seemed to affect Cotto, imagine if an Angulo right hand managed its way in there?
Pre-Margarito/Pacquiao Cotto - I'd give Cotto the nod. Now, I like Angulo to steamroll through him. Stopping in the mid-late rounds.
he looked more surprised than anything, Foreman's best shot was the straight right in around the 5th, and Cotto didn't wobble, wasn't stunned or anything, Angulo has power, but
he's no one punch ko artist by any means, most of his wins against decent opposition have come down the stretch, IMO with superior movement and his effective counter punching, Cotto will basically circle Angulo while popping off the jab and counter him to the body and upstairs
another thing about Angulo is he doesn't use his height, he fights slouched, basically losing any height or reach advantage he'd normally have, and he's not really one to throw straight shots, i'd pick Cotto UD or late stoppage
Cotto should win this fight by outboxing him but Angulo definitely has one punch ko power. Watch his clips of some of his earlier fights. Even his last two fights he KO'd Julio and Yorgey with one punch.
he didn't KO Julio with ONE shot, he wore him down and caught him late while he was tiring, most of Angulo's early opponents still work 9 to 5, i'm not saying he doesn't have heavy hands, i just don't think he has power like Gomez, Tyson, Foreman, Trinidad, Freitas, Carbajal, etc., where the first shot he lands can end it
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:, fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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ElTerribleMorales
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:,
fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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C-Lo
I see this fight going the same way as the Margarito fight. Cotto winning big the first half of the fight then Angulo eventually landing more and more. I can't see Cotto keeping him off of him the entire fight.
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Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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OnixAA
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ElTerribleMorales
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blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:,
fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
Cotto only tired down against Margarito cause of the broken nose, it's not like he has bad stamina, i'm not saying he has Mayweather or Pacquiao like stamina but IMO he'll beat Angulo easily, people are giving him (Angulo) more credit than he actually deserves
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
OnixAA
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Originally Posted by
ElTerribleMorales
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Originally Posted by
blegit
This fight he clearly landed only one punch to end it. One right hand on Julio and Julio was down for the count. If it happened in the 9th round doesn't mean it wasn't a one punch KO. Julio and Cintron, who both rely on power, weren't willing to trade with Angulo and chose to box for a very good reason. Who goes around KOing everybody in the 1st like Mike Tyson? Thats extremely rare power. But its undeniable that Angulo has one punch KO power. Go back over his fights.
fact is Julio was already worn down, if you wanna go by that Mayweather Ko'd Hatton with a one punch KO :rolleyes:,
fatigue had already set in when Julio got stopped
like i said, who of note has Angulo stopped aside from Julio (which Kirkland had already done)?
and back to the main focus of the thread, Cotto is a better technical fighter than both Julio and Cintron, leading to my pick that he'd completely school Angulo, especially when he's completely one dimensional and vastly unproven
I would argue that Cotto would probably get winded and go down in the same way if they fought hence the outcome would be the same. Cotto wont trade with him, he's bigger and will be alot heavier then he is, so he's gonna move around spend energy and then be very susceptible to a KO from being worn out.
Cotto did get hit by some shots that Foreman threw at him and while Cotto took the shot it was coming from one of the lighter hitting fighters in that division, Angulo is on the other end of that spectrum. Lastly Cotto best not tangle with Angulo inside as Angulo throws some big short shots and would ruin Cotto faster that way then if he tried to outbox him before the gas tank runs out.
Cotto only tired down against Margarito cause of the broken nose, it's not like he has bad stamina, i'm not saying he has Mayweather or Pacquiao like stamina but IMO he'll beat Angulo easily, people are giving him (Angulo) more credit than he actually deserves
Win or lose, it would be a good fight. If Cotto did want to make a statement in the division thats probably as high up on the food chain as he should go the other guys are too big.
Re: Cotto Vs. Angulo who takes it?
honestly don't see how anyone can say that with dire certainty when we haven't seen anything to indicate that, Foreman was bigger, had the longer reach, and although he lacks power, Cotto was still able to get his shots off and beat Foreman to the punch, and that's that Yuri is one of the faster guys at 154, Cotto's not slow and he has awesome timing, IMO the only guy that beats Cotto for sure is Martinez, cause even Williams gets hit too much and doesn't use his natural size advantages against smaller guys, if Quintana and Martinez (both smaller guys) were able to time and counter Williams, i'd give Cotto (a very effective switch hitter) a 50/50 chance against him
