Jack Johnson verses Jess Willard

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Originally Posted by keo

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

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:lol:

A fighter from a century ago. Does SB not have a classic forum?

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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER

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Originally Posted by keo

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

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:lol:

A fighter from a century ago. Does SB not have a classic forum?

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Whats so funny about that. Its a boxing forum and many including myself enjoy discussing past eras.
If they are going to do anything they should make a freakin Klitschko forum.

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Originally Posted by IamInuit

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Originally Posted by THE PHILOSOPHER

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Originally Posted by keo

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

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:lol:

A fighter from a century ago. Does SB not have a classic forum?

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Whats so funny about that. Its a boxing forum and many including myself enjoy discussing past eras.
If they are going to do anything they should make a freakin Klitschko forum.

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I would love that. They own a division so why not a forum?

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Originally Posted by keo

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

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Urban legend. I guess its possible but you don't wager 2500 bucks on yourself to win and then take a dive in the 26th round. The gloves over the eyes thing has happened before many times but you don't get pictures of most of them. Holyfield/Douglas more recently and Conn/Louis is another from the past.
Conn and Johnson got caught talking when they should have been listening. Willard was a flailing, lumbering oaf with two left feet who never turned pro until 29 but he had heart and grit and by all accounts was getting the shit kicked out of him prior to Johnsons tank going empty.

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

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yes excellent point just go in 1/2 hearted and after 6 minutes take a dive. Was he working on his tan for 25 rounds first in that sun?

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

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yes excellent point just go in 1/2 hearted and after 6 minutes take a dive. Was he working on his tan for 25 rounds first in that sun?

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Johnson claims that he was waiting for the money to be handed over and when he got the nod which was after 25 rounds he took the dive. I believe he was fairly beaten and he wanted to make some money in his retirement.

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Originally Posted by Master

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Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust

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Originally Posted by johnmaff36

If johnson was going to throw a fight, why fight for over an hour in a baking sun before 'lying down'? Its bullshit. He was beaten fair and square by the better guy on the day even though the same man wasnt in johnsons league in his prime

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yes excellent point just go in 1/2 hearted and after 6 minutes take a dive. Was he working on his tan for 25 rounds first in that sun?

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Johnson claims that he was waiting for the money to be handed over and when he got the nod which was after 25 rounds he took the dive. I believe he was fairly beaten and he wanted to make some money in his retirement.

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He absolutely was fairly beaten. His ego could never allow himself to admit he was beaten, thus the "throw the fight" baloney he concocted.

I agree with you, it was a way to make some money years afterwards and get some media attention.

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Originally Posted by keo

Jack Johnson, always claims that this fight was a set up, and that he was not really knocked out.He is seen shading his eyes from the sun, in the knock out photo, he was 37 years old ,the fight lasted 26 rounds.Ive seen most of the old footage of the fight ,and l agree with Johnsons view, that he threw the fight.Jess Willard was not skillful enough to beat Johnson.l understand that this was a long time a go ,1915 but l would be interested to hear what people think regards. keo.

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It's true that Willard didn't have the greatest skills, but I believe he just wore the older Johnson down over the course of 26 rounds in brutal temperatures. Remember, Johnson was 37 years old ancient for a Heavyweight Champion back in 1915. If Johnson was going to throw the fight he wouldn't have endured 26 rounds of punishment before taking a dive. My guess is, he gave it all he could, but was exhausted and couldn't continue, or simply decided to quit.

I reckon the only person who knows for sure is Johnson. :-X

BTW, welcome to SaddoBoxing, good thread.

Johnson was a brilliant story teller, and with 'that' picture, he could blag that he was shielding his eyes et al. But when the film was found (not that long ago), it clearly shows the fight was not fixed and that Johnson passed out while the referee counted him out.