Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
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Pavlik
1st fighter in history to have 6 division world championships.
Highest earning fighter in history.
Probably best looking too.
Yes he is a LEGEND.
Yes, well.... (ahem)... while these are (cough) certainly admirable qualities in a fighter, I would think they hardly qualify as "legend" material. Although yes... to the female fan base in general he probably IS a legend.
By the way... I hate... no, scratch that... i DESPISE how people constantly use money earnings as a measuring stick of a fighter's merit as a HOF'er, legend, cannonized saint... whatever. MANY things go into the money earning factor. And fighting ability, record, skill, and all the things that matter are only a relatively small piece of the pie when determining money-making ability. Press hype, personality, political powers within boxing organizations, promotional abilities, A COUNTRY'S HUNGER FOR A STAR OF ANY KIND AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME..... all these factors come into play also when money-making ability is being decided.
Oh wait... he's got a statue of himself somewhere in L.A. Scratch the above. The guy's a frigging LEGEND!!
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
like leon guerrero he is a legend.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
There is absolutely no doubt that Oscar is a Legend of the sport. To argue it would be ignorant of his accomplishments and contributions to boxing.
Who has generated more revenue in boxing? Who has put on more HUGE PPV extravaganzas? More mega fights?
The guy was one of the greatest things to ever happen to boxing, and for all his charisma and good looks, he was a WARRIOR inside the ring and he had world-class skills. The guy is a legend for sure.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
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Beanflicker
There is absolutely no doubt that Oscar is a Legend of the sport. To argue it would be ignorant of his accomplishments and contributions to boxing.
Who has generated more revenue in boxing? Who has put on more HUGE PPV extravaganzas? More mega fights?
The guy was one of the greatest things to ever happen to boxing, and for all his charisma and good looks, he was a WARRIOR inside the ring and he had world-class skills. The guy is a legend for sure.
Damn... It only took one post in between this one and mine, to see the PPV and good looks arguments regurtitated once again.
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Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
There is absolutely no doubt that Oscar is a Legend of the sport. To argue it would be ignorant of his accomplishments and contributions to boxing.
Who has generated more revenue in boxing? Who has put on more HUGE PPV extravaganzas? More mega fights?
The guy was one of the greatest things to ever happen to boxing, and for all his charisma and good looks, he was a WARRIOR inside the ring and he had world-class skills. The guy is a legend for sure.
Damn... It only took one post in between this one and mine, to see the PPV and good looks arguments regurtitated once again.
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Haha Tito take a pill. Tito Trinidad is a legend too...only because he got to share the ring with Oscar that is.
;)
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
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Originally Posted by
OnixAA
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
There is absolutely no doubt that Oscar is a Legend of the sport. To argue it would be ignorant of his accomplishments and contributions to boxing.
Who has generated more revenue in boxing? Who has put on more HUGE PPV extravaganzas? More mega fights?
The guy was one of the greatest things to ever happen to boxing, and for all his charisma and good looks, he was a WARRIOR inside the ring and he had world-class skills. The guy is a legend for sure.
Damn... It only took one post in between this one and mine, to see the PPV and good looks arguments regurtitated once again.
:vd:
Haha Tito take a pill.Blah, blah, blah
Tito Trinidad is a legend Blah, blah, blah
too...only because he got to share the ring with Oscar that is.
;)
I knew you'd come around.
:cool:
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
Even though I voted no, I think he is.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
Im surprised so many people throw the word legend around so easily.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
I know Toney is a favorite fighter but why is Toney a legend and Oscar isn't? Oscar fought waaay more top flight opposition then Toney, I love Toney but no way would his name pop into my head before Oscar's when recalling fighters from their era. Oscar had so many more career defining fights, not to mention he feasted on much better competition between the big fights, it's not fair to classify Toney as a legend and not Oscar imo.
And Tito I'm sorry but the fact that he was a draw definitely means something, it means he had people talking and had the casual fan talking probably more then any fighter not named Tyson. That's a big deal, he's always going to be remembered more then great fighters who didn't have the same buzz as him, like Toney for example.
Plus he made good fights, he was very very rarely in a dull fight. Even against lesser opposition like Oba Carr, Darrel Coley, Arturo Gatti, John John Molina etc. he always provided really exciting fights. That has to count for the legend status because his fights were always an event.
I mean it's subjective, some people have 1000 legends and some have 20, but Oscar will be talked about as much as anyone from the era in 20-30 years and for me that qualifies as legendary. There is no right or wrong here because the term 'legendary' is subjective and not strictly defined.
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He's a living legend now...
Here in LA and out in Asia, down under in Aus and up top in Greenland.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
There is absolutely no doubt that Oscar is a Legend of the sport. To argue it would be ignorant of his accomplishments and contributions to boxing.
Who has generated more revenue in boxing? Who has put on more HUGE PPV extravaganzas? More mega fights?
The guy was one of the greatest things to ever happen to boxing, and for all his charisma and good looks, he was a WARRIOR inside the ring and he had world-class skills. The guy is a legend for sure.
Damn... It only took one post in between this one and mine, to see the PPV and good looks arguments regurtitated once again.
:vd:
Actually if you took the time to read the actual post instead of just hilighting stuff out of context, I never used a "good looks" argument at all. What I insinuated was IN SPITE OF HIS GOOD LOOKS, he was a warrior in the ring.
Why would a Tito fan be bitter at ODLH? Tito gained a world of stock with that DISGUSTING robbery of a victory he got over DLH.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
There is absolutely no doubt that Oscar is a Legend of the sport. To argue it would be ignorant of his accomplishments and contributions to boxing.
Who has generated more revenue in boxing? Who has put on more HUGE PPV extravaganzas? More mega fights?
The guy was one of the greatest things to ever happen to boxing, and for all his charisma and good looks, he was a WARRIOR inside the ring and he had world-class skills. The guy is a legend for sure.
Damn... It only took one post in between this one and mine, to see the PPV and good looks arguments regurtitated once again.
:vd:
Actually if you took the time to read the actual post instead of just hilighting stuff out of context, I never used a "good looks" argument at all. What I insinuated was IN SPITE OF HIS GOOD LOOKS, he was a warrior in the ring.
Why would a Tito fan be bitter at ODLH? Tito gained a world of stock with that DISGUSTING robbery of a victory he got over DLH.
Just having fun with the "good looking" argument. I know you're not using it as a reason why ODLH should be considered a legend. On a serious note, however, I'm not going to get into another Tito-DLH fight argument. Suffice it to say, as I've always said and maintain, that Tito got that "robbery" in DLH's backyard, with non-Puerto Rican judges, and a strictly pro-DLH crowd. While Tito got outboxed in most of the first rounds of the fight, for some inexplicable reason (I still maintain DLH had tasted Tito's right) he chose to run around like a chicken through the last 3 rounds and basically gave away the fight. And some objective fans here on the forum (I realize I'm not objective on this particular subject) had the fight close or even a draw after the 12 rounds. Too bad the matter never got resolved in a rematch.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
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TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
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Originally Posted by
TitoFan
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Originally Posted by
Beanflicker
There is absolutely no doubt that Oscar is a Legend of the sport. To argue it would be ignorant of his accomplishments and contributions to boxing.
Who has generated more revenue in boxing? Who has put on more HUGE PPV extravaganzas? More mega fights?
The guy was one of the greatest things to ever happen to boxing, and for all his charisma and good looks, he was a WARRIOR inside the ring and he had world-class skills. The guy is a legend for sure.
Damn... It only took one post in between this one and mine, to see the PPV and good looks arguments regurtitated once again.
:vd:
Actually if you took the time to read the actual post instead of just hilighting stuff out of context, I never used a "good looks" argument at all. What I insinuated was IN SPITE OF HIS GOOD LOOKS, he was a warrior in the ring.
Why would a Tito fan be bitter at ODLH? Tito gained a world of stock with that DISGUSTING robbery of a victory he got over DLH.
Just having fun with the "good looking" argument. I know you're not using it as a reason why ODLH should be considered a legend. On a serious note, however, I'm not going to get into another Tito-DLH fight argument. Suffice it to say, as I've always said and maintain, that Tito got that "robbery" in DLH's backyard, with non-Puerto Rican judges, and a strictly pro-DLH crowd. While Tito got outboxed in most of the first rounds of the fight, for some inexplicable reason (I still maintain DLH had tasted Tito's right) he chose to run around like a chicken through the last 3 rounds and basically gave away the fight. And some objective fans here on the forum (I realize I'm not objective on this particular subject) had the fight close or even a draw after the 12 rounds. Too bad the matter never got resolved in a rematch.
I don't want to sidetracked the topic too much, but I scored it a draw after 12 for that fight. Oscar started running in the last half of the 9th, so I gave that round along with the last 3 to Tito, however from rounds 1-8 I had it 6-2 in favor of Oscar. His fans cannot call robbery when Oscar decided to get on his bike and hardly throw any punches starting from the last half of round 9 and onwards. That fight for all the hype it got never lived up to it, it was a massive disappointment for many boxing fans like myself.
Now back on topic, yes Oscar is a legend in my eyes, as people have pointed out he's done a lot for the sport of boxing, it didn't matter or not if he won or lost the fight, it's just that his fights were events and kept boxing in the mainstream. I think HBO had it right when it said Oscar was the Latino version of Ray Leonard, although I have to add he lost more of his big fights than Ray did. He's not a legend like Ray, but he is a legend.
Re: Is Oscar Delahoya a Legend ?
Oscar always strikes me as the David Beckham of boxing. A good fighter whose popularity transcended the sport.
