Was he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
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Was he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
i thought Morales looked ok (weight-wise) in the rematch against Pacquiao, but he looked completely weight drained in the 3rd fight, as for Raheem, he didn't look weight drained at all he just looked like if he was slippingQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWas he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
No, he was just shot.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWas he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
LOL...i'll take that one...so is what I'm getting is that PAC only beat Morrales because he was either shot or weight drained? Yet he blew through Barrera twice, the same guy that arguably beat morrales three times?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogNo, he was just shot.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWas he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
First let me say that I agree with u regarding Pac beating Morales regardless of the weight issues. I do believe that the 3rd fight would have been much more competitve if he didn't kill himself making weight. Also the argument about Pac beating Barrera so he would've beat Morales doesn't hold because styles make fights. Junior Jones anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherLOL...i'll take that one...so is what I'm getting is that PAC only beat Morrales because he was either shot or weight drained? Yet he blew through Barrera twice, the same guy that arguably beat morrales three times?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogNo, he was just shot.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWas he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
exactly, lets not forget that Morales also beat Pacquiao around in his last decent showing, it's not a coincidence that every performance afterwards (including Raheem) has been horrible since after his win against PacquiaoQuote:
Originally Posted by chinchekkedFirst let me say that I agree with u regarding Pac beating Morales regardless of the weight issues. I do believe that the 3rd fight would have been much more competitve if he didn't kill himself making weight. Also the argument about Pac beating Barrera so he would've beat Morales doesn't hold because styles make fights. Junior Jones anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherLOL...i'll take that one...so is what I'm getting is that PAC only beat Morrales because he was either shot or weight drained? Yet he blew through Barrera twice, the same guy that arguably beat morrales three times?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogNo, he was just shot.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWas he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
IMO Barrera and Morales have gone 1-1-1 each, hell Morales did better against Pacquiao in the 2nd fight than Barrera ever did against Manny
Yeah thats true..but what I think really happened in the raheem fight was Morrales was exposed..his style was. Roach slowed manny down, meaning he was more patient and allowed the kayo to come to him and it was very evident, much like Raheem didn't engage into a brawl like barrera-morrales. Pac had clearly improved in his boxing ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchekkedFirst let me say that I agree with u regarding Pac beating Morales regardless of the weight issues. I do believe that the 3rd fight would have been much more competitve if he didn't kill himself making weight. Also the argument about Pac beating Barrera so he would've beat Morales doesn't hold because styles make fights. Junior Jones anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherLOL...i'll take that one...so is what I'm getting is that PAC only beat Morrales because he was either shot or weight drained? Yet he blew through Barrera twice, the same guy that arguably beat morrales three times?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogNo, he was just shot.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWas he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I think morrales was great, but pac would have beaten him anyhow with or without the raheem fight or the weight.
Morales never really stepped on the gas against Raheem, IMO due to the fact that his timing was already starting to slide, the only round that he chose to turn it on (the 11th) he dropped Raheem (although it wasn't counted), Morales depended on 2 things his entire career, his chin and his ability to impose his offense and pressure you to back up, he showed flashes of this against Raheem in the 11th, and he did relatively well against Pacquiao in the rematch, he was actually only behind by a point or two, his output dropped and it wasn't due to Pacquiao wearing him down, and it was pretty evident from the Raheem fight onwards that Morales' punch resistance wasn't what it used to beQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherYeah thats true..but what I think really happened in the raheem fight was Morrales was exposed..his style was. Roach slowed manny down, meaning he was more patient and allowed the kayo to come to him and it was very evident, much like Raheem didn't engage into a brawl like barrera-morrales. Pac had clearly improved in his boxing ability.Quote:
Originally Posted by chinchekkedFirst let me say that I agree with u regarding Pac beating Morales regardless of the weight issues. I do believe that the 3rd fight would have been much more competitve if he didn't kill himself making weight. Also the argument about Pac beating Barrera so he would've beat Morales doesn't hold because styles make fights. Junior Jones anyone?Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherLOL...i'll take that one...so is what I'm getting is that PAC only beat Morrales because he was either shot or weight drained? Yet he blew through Barrera twice, the same guy that arguably beat morrales three times?Quote:
Originally Posted by generalbulldogNo, he was just shot.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherWas he weight drained against raheem?Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
I think morrales was great, but pac would have beaten him anyhow with or without the raheem fight or the weight.
I think Chatchai Sasakul was weight drained in the Pac fight. Pacquiao just got that Lucky Left for the KO. :D
when morales fought pacquiao (1st time), morales was already slipping badly and past his prime. the raheem loss was a good indicator of that. in the second morales/pacquiao fight, i felt morales was doing great until his legs started tightening up on him. it was also the first time he was without his father (trainer). one of the announcers said that massaging a boxer's legs was the wrong thing to do during a fight because it weakens them.
morales was also coming off a loss to barrera when he faced pacquiao and he still had enough to beat him handily. morales' problem was that he didn't take care of himself in-between fights. he would balloon 30-40 lbs. or more, then kill himself trying to make weight. i believe his career was shortened drastically because of his aggressive style of fighting, his bout with weight issues, and the fact that his body wasn't made to withstand the damage it received due to his aggressive style. he should have adopted barrera's boxing style but that wasn't in his makeup. he was a warrior inside the wrong body.
Sunk cheeks and skin discoloration at the weigh-in.
hahaha. good one man.. and read what the troll wrote.Quote:
Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweatherAmazingly the two fights he lost...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by milmascaras1
josef,
the only troll is you. but here are the facts, a half-shot morales was able to beat pacquiao and make him cry like a baby. remember that? it's only when he was completely shot and was weakened by the weight loss did he lose to pacquiao. facts are facts buddy!
What surprising is this though, although Pac and Morales had 3 fights, both were not in their primes. Pacquiao was not in his and Morales was leaving his.
bulldog,
true, true! pacquiao was in his physical prime but not boxing prime while the opposite is true for morales.