Re: Quartey vs Trinidad @147
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I always liked Quartey (rooted for him vs DLH), but I think he plays into Tito's style. Yes, Tito went down early in fights, but it was more a balance issue, and he always came back strong to KO his opponents (until BHop, that is). Tito had quick hands and a great left hook. I think Tito stops Ike in a fast, action-packed fight.
You kidding me, right? His knock downs against Reid, Campas and Cortes weren't due to balance issues. They were due to him getting hit on the chin
VD Ike Quartey is one of my favorites, but he was a sucker for a left hook. He was knocked down 4 times from my memory all by left hooks, and they wern't flash knockdowns either.
I just see that being his downfall, aswell as Ike Quartey fading down the stretch in big fights. Where as Felix Trinidad come on strong down the stretch in his big fights.
I actually think it would go the distance, and Felix Trinidad would be put down early. And he would be troubled by the jab early, but he would get around that jab eventually. And i see Ike Quartey going down atleast twice late on.
But he survives and goes 12 rounds because he has a huge heart, but in the end he loses by a few points.
An even better fight i wanted to see, is Jose Luis Lopez vs Felix Trinidad.
Your right in the fact that Quartey did have trouble with the left hook. He just refused to keep his hand up. But your wrong in thinking Trinidad would got around the ATG jab of Quartey. De La hoya handled him with ease when he jabbed him. When he stopped is when Trinidad came on. And Tito had no idea what to do when Winky Wright would throw his jab. He never came close to getting around it. The jab was also key to everything Hopkins did in taking Trinidad's 0. I consider Quartey's jab to be superior to theres.
I don't think you can talk about a left jab without considering other factors. The Winky fight was about a lot more than just the jab. Winky's impenetrable defense also played a factor. And with Winky being the naturally bigger man between the two, none of Tito's shots landing on the raised gloves of Winky were doing any good. I also blame Tito's corner (dad) for not having a Plan B. But that's another story. Hopkins fought a masterful fight, not only using the jab, but the timing of the jab was impeccable. And don't forget Hopkins' defense as well. Quartey, while a great fighter in his own right, didn't have the natural body size of a Winky or a Hopkins, who were big middleweights. Quartey wouldn't have been able to just shrug off Tito's hooks and other shots. So while Quartey had a great jab, as you say, it wouldn't have necessarily translated into a win over Tito.
Re: Quartey vs Trinidad @147
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I always liked Quartey (rooted for him vs DLH), but I think he plays into Tito's style. Yes, Tito went down early in fights, but it was more a balance issue, and he always came back strong to KO his opponents (until BHop, that is). Tito had quick hands and a great left hook. I think Tito stops Ike in a fast, action-packed fight.
You kidding me, right? His knock downs against Reid, Campas and Cortes weren't due to balance issues. They were due to him getting hit on the chin
VD Ike Quartey is one of my favorites, but he was a sucker for a left hook. He was knocked down 4 times from my memory all by left hooks, and they wern't flash knockdowns either.
I just see that being his downfall, aswell as Ike Quartey fading down the stretch in big fights. Where as Felix Trinidad come on strong down the stretch in his big fights.
I actually think it would go the distance, and Felix Trinidad would be put down early. And he would be troubled by the jab early, but he would get around that jab eventually. And i see Ike Quartey going down atleast twice late on.
But he survives and goes 12 rounds because he has a huge heart, but in the end he loses by a few points.
An even better fight i wanted to see, is Jose Luis Lopez vs Felix Trinidad.
Your right in the fact that Quartey did have trouble with the left hook. He just refused to keep his hand up. But your wrong in thinking Trinidad would got around the ATG jab of Quartey. De La hoya handled him with ease when he jabbed him. When he stopped is when Trinidad came on. And Tito had no idea what to do when Winky Wright would throw his jab. He never came close to getting around it. The jab was also key to everything Hopkins did in taking Trinidad's 0. I consider Quartey's jab to be superior to theres.
I don't think you can talk about a left jab without considering other factors. The Winky fight was about a lot more than just the jab. Winky's impenetrable defense also played a factor. And with Winky being the naturally bigger man between the two, none of Tito's shots landing on the raised gloves of Winky were doing any good. I also blame Tito's corner (dad) for not having a Plan B. But that's another story. Hopkins fought a masterful fight, not only using the jab, but the timing of the jab was impeccable. And don't forget Hopkins' defense as well. Quartey, while a great fighter in his own right, didn't have the natural body size of a Winky or a Hopkins, who were big middleweights. Quartey wouldn't have been able to just shrug off Tito's hooks and other shots. So while Quartey had a great jab, as you say, it wouldn't have necessarily translated into a win over Tito.
It wouldn't of been just the jab. While not as effective or committed as Wright, Quartey did employ a simliar defense as him. He to would cover up with gloves raised. Taking punches on the arms and elbows. While it's true he was not as big naturally as Wright or Hopkins, Quartey always came into the ring in outstanding shape. Trinidad would not just break through him like he did Ray Lovato or Oba Carr. In his whole career I don't think I ever seen Quartey hurt to the body. He would be able to take Trinidad's body attack. He would let Tito tee off with abandon for a couple of rounds while he covers up. Eventually he'll catch Trinidad with one of them sneaky, short power punches. Similar to the one that dropped De La Hoya and the one that started Vince Phillips downfall. And Tito will go down
Re: Quartey vs Trinidad @147
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I always liked Quartey (rooted for him vs DLH), but I think he plays into Tito's style. Yes, Tito went down early in fights, but it was more a balance issue, and he always came back strong to KO his opponents (until BHop, that is). Tito had quick hands and a great left hook. I think Tito stops Ike in a fast, action-packed fight.
You kidding me, right? His knock downs against Reid, Campas and Cortes weren't due to balance issues. They were due to him getting hit on the chin
VD Ike Quartey is one of my favorites, but he was a sucker for a left hook. He was knocked down 4 times from my memory all by left hooks, and they wern't flash knockdowns either.
I just see that being his downfall, aswell as Ike Quartey fading down the stretch in big fights. Where as Felix Trinidad come on strong down the stretch in his big fights.
I actually think it would go the distance, and Felix Trinidad would be put down early. And he would be troubled by the jab early, but he would get around that jab eventually. And i see Ike Quartey going down atleast twice late on.
But he survives and goes 12 rounds because he has a huge heart, but in the end he loses by a few points.
An even better fight i wanted to see, is Jose Luis Lopez vs Felix Trinidad.
Your right in the fact that Quartey did have trouble with the left hook. He just refused to keep his hand up. But your wrong in thinking Trinidad would got around the ATG jab of Quartey. De La hoya handled him with ease when he jabbed him. When he stopped is when Trinidad came on. And Tito had no idea what to do when Winky Wright would throw his jab. He never came close to getting around it. The jab was also key to everything Hopkins did in taking Trinidad's 0. I consider Quartey's jab to be superior to theres.
I don't think you can talk about a left jab without considering other factors. The Winky fight was about a lot more than just the jab. Winky's impenetrable defense also played a factor. And with Winky being the naturally bigger man between the two, none of Tito's shots landing on the raised gloves of Winky were doing any good. I also blame Tito's corner (dad) for not having a Plan B. But that's another story. Hopkins fought a masterful fight, not only using the jab, but the timing of the jab was impeccable. And don't forget Hopkins' defense as well. Quartey, while a great fighter in his own right, didn't have the natural body size of a Winky or a Hopkins, who were big middleweights. Quartey wouldn't have been able to just shrug off Tito's hooks and other shots. So while Quartey had a great jab, as you say, it wouldn't have necessarily translated into a win over Tito.
It wouldn't of been just the jab. While not as effective or committed as Wright, Quartey did employ a simliar defense as him. He to would cover up with gloves raised. Taking punches on the arms and elbows. While it's true he was not as big naturally as Wright or Hopkins, Quartey always came into the ring in outstanding shape. Trinidad would not just break through him like he did Ray Lovato or Oba Carr. In his whole career I don't think I ever seen Quartey hurt to the body. He would be able to take Trinidad's body attack. He would let Tito tee off with abandon for a couple of rounds while he covers up. Eventually he'll catch Trinidad with one of them sneaky, short power punches. Similar to the one that dropped De La Hoya and the one that started Vince Phillips downfall. And Tito will go down
Good points all. We agree on a lot of things, except the outcome. I remember thinking at the time that Tito-Quartey would've made a fantastic fight. I guess we'll never know for sure, except maybe in some version of Knockout Kings or something like that.
