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He might think he's coming back. As his promoter said in 360, licensing is going to be a very big and expensive ordeal now.
They will require lots of tests to show he's clear of neurological problems.
His post fight brain scan didn't even show up the slightest of concussions....unsurprisingly so i think he's probably clear.
Granted i don't have same neurological contacts as Taeth so take that with a pinch of salt.
We happen to have a neurologist at my gym so that's so unbelievable? Do other gyms not have physicians and lawyers that go to them? Where has there been anything that shows there was no sign of a concussion on any test they ran on him? You probably don't know they can't actually do a scan to conclusively prove whether somebody had a concussion or not? They use the scans to look for bleeds and such, but you wouldn't know that being such a dimwit.
In fact besides the symptoms it's very hard for them to diagnose a lot of cases where people get concussions. Despite all the funding that is going into it from football now. There is still so much we actually don't know when it comes to concussions, headaches, and brain trauma in general that all of your conclusions are pre-mature and poorly founded regardless of what happens from hear on out.
I'm not even saying that he didn't necessarily duck Andre Ward, but Abraham hit him with a brutally cheap shot because he knew he wasn't going to catch Dirrell with a big enough shot legitimately to win the fight. The one knockdown he scored, Dirrell was clearly hurt, but he dripped on Arthur's foot, and he took several other big shots after that and stayed up, and in the 11th he looked absolutely fine, look at that video on the first page, he was outboxing Arthur the same way he did for the entire fight that round.
It's funny how people watch things like when Hopkins fought Calzaghe with the low blow and say for sure he was faking, but I guarantee most of you have never been clipped in the top of the cup and have had it dig into the interior pelvlic region. It honestly hurts almost as bad as a low blow, and it doesn't even require that much force. But there are so many ignorant people that have never even participated in the sport for any amount of time, and they act like they are wisdom bearers' of the sport.
No, although they are capable of detecting a concussion, a CT scan or an MRI will check for a more serious injury, although if there is a serious concussion, MRI imaging, combined with a neuroligcal examination would detect it
You see, Wikipedia trains at my local gym aswell. ;)
The hospital certainly wouldn't release such a high profile fighter unless they were 100% sure he was fine. They didn't even keep him in for overnight observation. He was in the hospital for 3 hours. I've spent longer in there for a sprained ankle. ;D
Carry on living in Narnia mate. You're not missed.
They can tell if there is cerebral cortex damage or bleeds in the brain, but they can't determine for sure whether somebody has had a concussion or not, it's not an exact science, its more symptom based, and general way of saying there is brain trauma that has been done. If there is no bleed and/or cerebral damage they don't usually keep people that long, they just need to make sure it won't have dire consequences. Often times they can't find anything only to have there be serious consequences for a patient, or in the case of a person who gets hit in the head for a living, it could progress more rapidly something that was already going in the brain. The problems Dirrell was said to have had are actually common symptomes for somebody that has suffered a concussion, and you aren't suppose to compete in activities where your head gets hit until they are sure the symptoms are gone. Once again I am amazed that you guys jump to a conclusion so quickly when these things are very unchartered territories, and they still have a lot of research to do before we can pin point a concusion like they do a broken bone.
That's a fair post, but it doesn't really take into account Dirrell's actions on the night. All the above does is basically say 'we don't have enough research to rule out a concussion' in anyone's case.
However, we can use our judgement from what we saw and from what we've seen from Dirrell since the incident...
• Dirrell delayed his reaction to the punch. Now i understand delayed reactions do occur in KO punches, however, Dirrell's eyes seemed perfectly clear and he actually changes his expression as he looks at Abraham, as if to say 'why did you do that?' This is clear to see, and has been commented on numerous occasions. Dirrell then drops to the ground.
• Once Dirrell awakes from being 'unconscious' he behaves in a strange way. However he shows signs of being fully aware of what is going on around him. At one point he takes offence to a comment made by a fan in the crowd.
• Backstage, his doctor breaks away from treating him to give an interview with Showtime. Odd actions from a doctor who is treating somebody who has potentially a serious brain injury.
• Dirrell is taken to hospital. The brain scans show no sign of serious brain injury and the neuroligical exam quite clearly doesn't show that Dirrell has any problems. If he did, it would be standard practice to keep him in overnnight for routine observation. This is especially true with Dirrell being quite a high profile case.
• Dirrell later goes on to explain that he has a brain injury which will rule him out of a fight with Ward, but should heal up in time for him to compete soon after the proposed date for the Ward fight.
• Dirrell is asked a few questions on fight camp 360. He forgets the name of his doctor, before reciting 'Dr Shaw (Gary Shaw happens to be his promoter so wonder how he came up with that name), before realising his error. After deliberation, he decided to go with Dr Shaw-High. Nice one Andre. You've done em' with that one.
• He then decides he doesn't want to face any further questions.
Now i understand neurological problems can have delayed onsets, but if i know this, so do the doctors who treated him. Therefore, it's unlikely he would have been discharged from hospital after only 3 hours. I'd like to think he wasn't faking injury, but all of the above is stopping me from believing he was genuinely knocked out cold. Call me naive, but that's what i'm going with.
