So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

Froch's performance yesterday was very impressive. He's quick, flashy, and very intelligent fighter. But wherever he is right now regarding p4p status, Bute for me is still ahead of him.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

Jean Pascal
Jermain Taylor
Andre Dirrell
Artur Abraham

Only defeat, a close, maybe desputed decision to Kessler.

On resume he has to be top 10.

On resume he HAS to be above Nonito Donaire, although of course that will never happen.

I think he has done enough now to be in the top 10, only behind Floyd, Manny, Martinez, Dirrell, and maybe Williams, and Marquez if he wins tonight.

You can argue for him being lower because you don't like him but he HAS to highly rated on the p4p rankings now.

not above Nonito ;D

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

Not really. Since their fight Pascal has 3 very good wins over good opposition and other wins against ho-hum opposition. He does have a good win over one guy who was considered a top P4P'er

Froch has had mixed results. He has had some very good wins over good opposition but he still has a loss. He looked great yesterday and I do believe he earned a spot.

Goes to show that Froch and Pascal are warriors. They will fight again.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

Not really. Since their fight Pascal has 3 very good wins over good opposition and other wins against ho-hum opposition. He does have a good win over one guy who was considered a top P4P'er

Froch has had mixed results. He has had some very good wins over good opposition but he still has a loss. He looked great yesterday and I do believe he earned a spot.

Goes to show that Froch and Pascal are warriors. They will fight again.

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NAH!

You are right though i think at some point they will meet again, but to be honest I think the out come will be the same. I think the outcome of the Hopkins fight will have a big effect on Pascal's P4P rating one way or the other...

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Originally Posted by Deanrw

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

Not really. Since their fight Pascal has 3 very good wins over good opposition and other wins against ho-hum opposition. He does have a good win over one guy who was considered a top P4P'er

Froch has had mixed results. He has had some very good wins over good opposition but he still has a loss. He looked great yesterday and I do believe he earned a spot.

Goes to show that Froch and Pascal are warriors. They will fight again.

Jesus Christ, where the hell have you been hiding? ;D

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

Froch's resume including his level of opposition and his win over Pascal puts him above him.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Originally Posted by CFH

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by CFH

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

I saw the Dawson fight. Pascal in my view, is freaking rugged. He gets off balance sometimes.

Froch is technically better.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by CFH

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by CFH

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by ono

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by CFH

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

If he was, wouldn't he have beaten Froch when they fought? Surely Froch's wins over Dirrell, Taylor and Abraham are better than or at least as good as Pascal's wins over Diaconu (x2) and an upset win over Dawson?

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by CFH

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Originally Posted by Hornfinger

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Originally Posted by CFH

I'd have Froch probably at #10 I guess.

I made a list the other day, I'll see if I can find it.

Edit: After looking at my last list, I decided to make a new one.

1. Pacquiao
2. Mayweather
3. Martinez
4. Ward
5. JM Marquez
6. Monteil
7. Bradley
8. Pascal
9. JM Lopez
10. Froch (maybe?)

The top three are the only clear-cut choices for their positions IMO.

Edit x2: You have Dirrell in your top 5?

froch beat Pascal so how can you put him beneath him? That's silly.

I explained my reasoning in another post, Pascal's win over Dawson is better than any Froch victory and I feel that Pascal is also the better, more complete fighter.

So pascal beating dawson is better than Froch beating pascal? Sillllllllyyyyyyy

The Froch fight made Pascal the fighter he is today. He's a much better fighter now than he was then.

Do you buy into stuff like that? I always think Pascal will struggle with someone who constantly opens up on him. Dawson could have had him out of there in the 11th if he'd have been smarter.

I rate Pascal but i see absolutely nothing to suggest he'd get any closer to beating Froch than he did 2 years ago. Only my opinion though mate.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

Pascal's win over Dawson was very good, but Dawson has only been fighting old men recently himself. Froch meanwhile has beaten Pascal and also a string of other top fighters. I've also come to the conclusion that the Kessler fight could have gone either way. On that basis I would have Froch above Pascal, though both fighters have really proven their mantle over the last 18 months.

Re: So where he should he be p4p now? Froch Abraham Spolier

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Pascal's win over Dawson was very good, but Dawson has only been fighting old men recently himself. Froch meanwhile has beaten Pascal and also a string of other top fighters. I've also come to the conclusion that the Kessler fight could have gone either way. On that basis I would have Froch above Pascal, though both fighters have really proven their mantle over the last 18 months.

I think CFH had Froch beating Kessler, as did i I. I'm glad more people are seeing the light. Having said that, i had Dirrell biking his way to a UD against Froch so it's evened itself up.